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		<title>By: insignificant thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2006-09-26</title>
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		<dc:creator>insignificant thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2006-09-26</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lost Remote: Demand a Federal Shield Law Now Indeed we should. Steve Safran is right on the money. (tags: stevesafran steve safran lostremote.com lost remote journalism) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lost Remote: Demand a Federal Shield Law Now Indeed we should. Steve Safran is right on the money. (tags: stevesafran steve safran lostremote.com lost remote journalism) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: News Consumer</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/09/24/editorial-demand-the-shield-law-now/#comment-19648</link>
		<dc:creator>News Consumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vidiot... I still think there is a fundamental issue here.  Journalists want shield protection to essentially do what is illegal for the average citizen (Publish gov't secrets, legally protected documents like court papers, etc.)  But the best definition you fail to define who a journalist is or what journalism is.  It's a "I know it when I see it" definition of journalism.  

So without a legal definition of journalist, anyone can hide behind that name and do what would otherwise be illegal and damaging to society.  

Journalists have done great good in the past in releasing certain protected information, and at great risk.  But today, journalists seem to want to take the risk out of it, making it far to easy for the system to be abused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vidiot&#8230; I still think there is a fundamental issue here.  Journalists want shield protection to essentially do what is illegal for the average citizen (Publish gov&#8217;t secrets, legally protected documents like court papers, etc.)  But the best definition you fail to define who a journalist is or what journalism is.  It&#8217;s a &#8220;I know it when I see it&#8221; definition of journalism.  </p>
<p>So without a legal definition of journalist, anyone can hide behind that name and do what would otherwise be illegal and damaging to society.  </p>
<p>Journalists have done great good in the past in releasing certain protected information, and at great risk.  But today, journalists seem to want to take the risk out of it, making it far to easy for the system to be abused.</p>
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		<title>By: MAK</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/09/24/editorial-demand-the-shield-law-now/#comment-19562</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By and large I do agree with the editorial, but it does leave out one fact. 

Leaking Grand Jury testimonies is breaking the law. The Grand Jury system as it currently exists may be flawed but it is time tested and on very solid legal footing. The rights of those testifying are no less important than the right to report the story. 

So the question becomes who gets to decide what's more important the story or the law? Couldn't a "shield law" be used to tip the balance too far toward the reporter's side?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By and large I do agree with the editorial, but it does leave out one fact. </p>
<p>Leaking Grand Jury testimonies is breaking the law. The Grand Jury system as it currently exists may be flawed but it is time tested and on very solid legal footing. The rights of those testifying are no less important than the right to report the story. </p>
<p>So the question becomes who gets to decide what&#8217;s more important the story or the law? Couldn&#8217;t a &#8220;shield law&#8221; be used to tip the balance too far toward the reporter&#8217;s side?</p>
<p>MAK</p>
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		<title>By: Vidiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News Consumer, journalists are not exempt from libel and slander laws, and still cannot "say anything about anyone else."  I'd agree with Safran that "journalism lies in the act and not the title".  I'm a blogger, and I'm a journalist.  Sometimes I commit journalism on my blog (but most times I don't, preferring by and large to focus on other matters), and when I do, the fact that my words are in electronic form and self-published doesn't make them less journalistic.

And Charlie Sierra, is there something wrong with your reading comprehension?  Your assertion that "the reason government officals aren’t prosecuted is precisely because the media shields them. Hence the name of the law" is demonstrably untrue and exactly backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News Consumer, journalists are not exempt from libel and slander laws, and still cannot &#8220;say anything about anyone else.&#8221;  I&#8217;d agree with Safran that &#8220;journalism lies in the act and not the title&#8221;.  I&#8217;m a blogger, and I&#8217;m a journalist.  Sometimes I commit journalism on my blog (but most times I don&#8217;t, preferring by and large to focus on other matters), and when I do, the fact that my words are in electronic form and self-published doesn&#8217;t make them less journalistic.</p>
<p>And Charlie Sierra, is there something wrong with your reading comprehension?  Your assertion that &#8220;the reason government officals aren’t prosecuted is precisely because the media shields them. Hence the name of the law&#8221; is demonstrably untrue and exactly backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately that slippery slope holds no weight.

Journalism is not about who you report for, it's what you do.  Whether you report on corruption as a blogger or an anchorman on one of the alphabet networks, you are engaging in journalism.

It's the act, not the employer that makes one a journalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately that slippery slope holds no weight.</p>
<p>Journalism is not about who you report for, it&#8217;s what you do.  Whether you report on corruption as a blogger or an anchorman on one of the alphabet networks, you are engaging in journalism.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the act, not the employer that makes one a journalist.</p>
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		<title>By: News Consumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>News Consumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say, "Doctors have immunity. Lawyers have immunity."  Both are licensed to practice.  I doubt you would want the same requirements for journalists.  But without a certification who is to say who is a journalist and who is not.  

Is anyone with a blog a journalist?  If so, that could pretty much cover every single person in the country within the next few years.  So anyone could say anything about anyone else and claim legal protections as a "journalist."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say, &#8220;Doctors have immunity. Lawyers have immunity.&#8221;  Both are licensed to practice.  I doubt you would want the same requirements for journalists.  But without a certification who is to say who is a journalist and who is not.  </p>
<p>Is anyone with a blog a journalist?  If so, that could pretty much cover every single person in the country within the next few years.  So anyone could say anything about anyone else and claim legal protections as a &#8220;journalist.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Sierra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Sierra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Tim(2),

Thanks for exposing yourself as a moron.

As to your first point, the ends dont justify the means.

As to your second point, the reason government officals aren't prosecuted is precisely because the media shields them. Hence the name of the law. I mean come on man, buy a freakin' vowel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tim(2),</p>
<p>Thanks for exposing yourself as a moron.</p>
<p>As to your first point, the ends dont justify the means.</p>
<p>As to your second point, the reason government officals aren&#8217;t prosecuted is precisely because the media shields them. Hence the name of the law. I mean come on man, buy a freakin&#8217; vowel.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Maxx</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/09/24/editorial-demand-the-shield-law-now/#comment-18582</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 05:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a side note on the Barry Bonds issue. I think that it is very low to ONLY attack Barry Bonds when so many people in baseball are / were / did abuse steriods. There are many different ways to use steroids other than using alot to bulk up. Pitchers  use them throw harder and faster. Players of all potitions use them to heal faster and come back from injurys faster.

The game changes. Equipment, medicine, players, rules ect. You can't compare other generations players against todays players. It just doesnt work. The players of ol' had to work real jobs. Barry Bonds deserves to get his record if he can get there. They are all juiced so its fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a side note on the Barry Bonds issue. I think that it is very low to ONLY attack Barry Bonds when so many people in baseball are / were / did abuse steriods. There are many different ways to use steroids other than using alot to bulk up. Pitchers  use them throw harder and faster. Players of all potitions use them to heal faster and come back from injurys faster.</p>
<p>The game changes. Equipment, medicine, players, rules ect. You can&#8217;t compare other generations players against todays players. It just doesnt work. The players of ol&#8217; had to work real jobs. Barry Bonds deserves to get his record if he can get there. They are all juiced so its fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, next time you're in New York, if you don't let me know so I can buy you a beer, I'm gonna hate you forever.

Seriously.

Well said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, next time you&#8217;re in New York, if you don&#8217;t let me know so I can buy you a beer, I&#8217;m gonna hate you forever.</p>
<p>Seriously.</p>
<p>Well said!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Safran</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/09/24/editorial-demand-the-shield-law-now/#comment-18562</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Safran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 04:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Tim. Editing error. 

And though I often wonder why people with such a virulent hatred of the media read a site dedicated to its improvement, I nontheless enjoy hearing all parts of the argument. I disagree with Charlie Sierra (Tango Uniform?) calling the editorial "mindless," (after all, I did put my mind to it, he just disagrees)  but insofar as editorials are meant to preach a point of view, I'll give him "pontificating." (I'd go with "advocating," but an advocate is called a pontificator by those who don't agree.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Tim. Editing error. </p>
<p>And though I often wonder why people with such a virulent hatred of the media read a site dedicated to its improvement, I nontheless enjoy hearing all parts of the argument. I disagree with Charlie Sierra (Tango Uniform?) calling the editorial &#8220;mindless,&#8221; (after all, I did put my mind to it, he just disagrees)  but insofar as editorials are meant to preach a point of view, I&#8217;ll give him &#8220;pontificating.&#8221; (I&#8217;d go with &#8220;advocating,&#8221; but an advocate is called a pontificator by those who don&#8217;t agree.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  The previous poster obviously believes that reporting facts, even inconvenient facts, breaks the law.  If it's a national security matter, how come we don't prosecute the government official that discloses the secret, just the reporter?   

2. The paragraph beginning "A judge is demanding" doesn't explain what the judge is demanding ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  The previous poster obviously believes that reporting facts, even inconvenient facts, breaks the law.  If it&#8217;s a national security matter, how come we don&#8217;t prosecute the government official that discloses the secret, just the reporter?   </p>
<p>2. The paragraph beginning &#8220;A judge is demanding&#8221; doesn&#8217;t explain what the judge is demanding &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Sierra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Sierra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Shield Law is bullshit.

Its nothing but a special privelge exemption for the media (who defines that?) to break the law.

I say throw the bastards in jail, so big bad bubba can entertain himself.

Also save your mindless pontificating about the fourth estate. Nobody trusts them, assuming we ever did. The media has disgraced itself, and should only look in the mirror for any problems it can drum up.

Fuck the media, and I'm not alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Shield Law is bullshit.</p>
<p>Its nothing but a special privelge exemption for the media (who defines that?) to break the law.</p>
<p>I say throw the bastards in jail, so big bad bubba can entertain himself.</p>
<p>Also save your mindless pontificating about the fourth estate. Nobody trusts them, assuming we ever did. The media has disgraced itself, and should only look in the mirror for any problems it can drum up.</p>
<p>Fuck the media, and I&#8217;m not alone.</p>
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