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]]> By: Safran http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28804 Safran Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:44:13 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28804 Jim: Thank you for your reply. I don't disagree with you on a single point. Your experience speaks for itself. I completely agree that people should be responsible for what they write. I have taken people to task for anonymous slander here at LR. It's cheap, easy and cowardly. The trouble comes when we decide what is and what is not "responsible." There are countries in which advocating an alternative to the existing system of government would be deemed "irresponsible." And blogging is, after all, an international system. So who gets to decide what's responsible? The problem also comes, as was discussed on our panel, when there are anonymous blogs that are doing excellent work. There are bloggers who need to remain anonymous for reasons beyond cowardice. Thank you again for your rebuttal. I look forward to more of this vigorous debate. That's what Lost Remote's all about. Steve Jim:

Thank you for your reply. I don’t disagree with you on a single point. Your experience speaks for itself.

I completely agree that people should be responsible for what they write. I have taken people to task for anonymous slander here at LR. It’s cheap, easy and cowardly.

The trouble comes when we decide what is and what is not “responsible.” There are countries in which advocating an alternative to the existing system of government would be deemed “irresponsible.” And blogging is, after all, an international system. So who gets to decide what’s responsible?

The problem also comes, as was discussed on our panel, when there are anonymous blogs that are doing excellent work. There are bloggers who need to remain anonymous for reasons beyond cowardice.

Thank you again for your rebuttal. I look forward to more of this vigorous debate. That’s what Lost Remote’s all about.

Steve

]]> By: Jim Cameron http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28761 Jim Cameron Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:41:16 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28761 Folks... Thanks for the chance to "defend myself" on my seemingly outrageous call for "responsible free speech". As Frank Catalano has already told you, I have experience with this issue dating back to 1982 when I launched "The Journalism Forum - JForum" on CompuServe. Google the case "Cubby vs CompuServe" to find the precent setting lawsuit over free speech that involved JForum in 1991. Trust me... I know about the issues of online libel. By "responsible" I mean taking ownership of what you post. By attaching a name to your post you are saying "I'm answerable for what I've said". Anonymous posts hold no such ownership of their words and are, thereby, less credible... but no less damaging. The panel we were on was billed as "Citizen Journalism". There's no license needed to be a "journalist" beyond the First Amendment. But whether you're a blogger or broadcast reporter, I see you equally responsible for your reporting. JIM CAMERON www.mediatrainer.tv Folks…

Thanks for the chance to “defend myself” on my seemingly outrageous call for “responsible free speech”.

As Frank Catalano has already told you, I have experience with this issue dating back to 1982 when I launched “The Journalism Forum - JForum” on CompuServe.

Google the case “Cubby vs CompuServe” to find the precent setting lawsuit over free speech that involved JForum in 1991. Trust me… I know about the issues of online libel.

By “responsible” I mean taking ownership of what you post. By attaching a name to your post you are saying “I’m answerable for what I’ve said”. Anonymous posts hold no such ownership of their words and are, thereby, less credible… but no less damaging.

The panel we were on was billed as “Citizen Journalism”. There’s no license needed to be a “journalist” beyond the First Amendment. But whether you’re a blogger or broadcast reporter, I see you equally responsible for your reporting.

JIM CAMERON
http://www.mediatrainer.tv

]]> By: Safran http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28752 Safran Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:09:28 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28752 Agreed. I don't mean to sound like I'm coming down on Jim. I strongly disagree with him. No harm there. He disagrees with me, and I respect that. This is why standing behind your name matters: you can disagree with someone AND respect them and their opinion at the same time. Anonymously, it's just an insult. I've pretty much stopped responding to anonymous stuff here. I'm more interested in helping journalists. Agreed. I don’t mean to sound like I’m coming down on Jim. I strongly disagree with him. No harm there. He disagrees with me, and I respect that. This is why standing behind your name matters: you can disagree with someone AND respect them and their opinion at the same time. Anonymously, it’s just an insult.

I’ve pretty much stopped responding to anonymous stuff here. I’m more interested in helping journalists.

]]> By: Frank Catalano http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28738 Frank Catalano Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:22:42 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28738 Steve: I'd agree it's lunacy to "mandate" registration and real names on blogs and comments. I can't see it being enforceable in any realistic way without some government agency like the FCC licensing blogs, and that's a Really Bad Idea. (I rather like slashdot's approach to dealing with the lack of credibility of anonymity, allowing you to set your filter not to show anonymous comments and labelling then "anonymous coward.") I guess I just wouldn't have come down so hard on Jim. Perhaps what he's looking for is, if some blogs want to be "citizen journalism," part of journalism is transparency about who you are and what your agenda is. You and I agree anonymous blogs and comments should be perceived to be less credible than the rest. Unless there's a darned good reason for anonymity, as there is occasionally the use for anonymous sources in the old school. Either that, or Jim has gotten as cranky as I have as I've grown older. But I always hope for the best. :) Steve: I’d agree it’s lunacy to “mandate” registration and real names on blogs and comments. I can’t see it being enforceable in any realistic way without some government agency like the FCC licensing blogs, and that’s a Really Bad Idea. (I rather like slashdot’s approach to dealing with the lack of credibility of anonymity, allowing you to set your filter not to show anonymous comments and labelling then “anonymous coward.”)

I guess I just wouldn’t have come down so hard on Jim. Perhaps what he’s looking for is, if some blogs want to be “citizen journalism,” part of journalism is transparency about who you are and what your agenda is. You and I agree anonymous blogs and comments should be perceived to be less credible than the rest. Unless there’s a darned good reason for anonymity, as there is occasionally the use for anonymous sources in the old school.

Either that, or Jim has gotten as cranky as I have as I’ve grown older. But I always hope for the best. :)

]]> By: Steve Safran http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28667 Steve Safran Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:45:24 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28667 Also- I had put up a link, as I'm trying to with all LR appearances: http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/06/upcoming-lost-remote-panel-appearances/ Come to NAB at the end of October! Also- I had put up a link, as I’m trying to with all LR appearances:

http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/06/upcoming-lost-remote-panel-appearances/

Come to NAB at the end of October!

]]> By: Steve Safran http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28666 Steve Safran Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:42:53 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28666 Jackie: Thank you again for the lively debate and opportunity for the exchange of ideas. You're right - this is what it's all about. I'll be honored to be back in '07. Tish: I am flattered that you still agree to see me, given that you now know what I look like. I am still, however, "some guy." Jackie: Thank you again for the lively debate and opportunity for the exchange of ideas. You’re right - this is what it’s all about. I’ll be honored to be back in ‘07.

Tish: I am flattered that you still agree to see me, given that you now know what I look like. I am still, however, “some guy.”

]]> By: tish grier http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28664 tish grier Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:39:06 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28664 Steve: could you please post links to events like this before they happen? It would be nice to know about them and possibly attend (as there are so few events of this sort that are reasonably priced.) oh, and it's nice to know what you look like now. next time you're out at Harvard, and I'm out there too, I'll be sure to say hello. I know we've crossed paths before, but to me you were just some guy ;-) Steve: could you please post links to events like this before they happen? It would be nice to know about them and possibly attend (as there are so few events of this sort that are reasonably priced.)

oh, and it’s nice to know what you look like now. next time you’re out at Harvard, and I’m out there too, I’ll be sure to say hello. I know we’ve crossed paths before, but to me you were just some guy ;-)

]]> By: Adam http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28657 Adam Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:22:58 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28657 I don't see the issue here. Don't most folk reading through a blog recognize the that anonymous posters opted out on a bit of credibility in order to remain under cover? I think it's a bit like carving a claim into a bathroom stall. You may know the John Doe who is being slandered and can take the info as verification, or you can ignore it as unsubstantiated. But, back at the bar if a guy introduces himself and presents some unfortunate information about John Doe and points out a couple of other people who can coroborate the claim I'm far more willing to listen (you should know I've had my suspicions about John Doe). I don’t see the issue here. Don’t most folk reading through a blog recognize the that anonymous posters opted out on a bit of credibility in order to remain under cover? I think it’s a bit like carving a claim into a bathroom stall. You may know the John Doe who is being slandered and can take the info as verification, or you can ignore it as unsubstantiated. But, back at the bar if a guy introduces himself and presents some unfortunate information about John Doe and points out a couple of other people who can coroborate the claim I’m far more willing to listen (you should know I’ve had my suspicions about John Doe).

]]> By: Jaci Clement http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28618 Jaci Clement Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:22:49 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/10/12/fair-media-understanding-but-just-on-our-terms/#comment-28618 Gentlemen: The debate that ensues here is entirely what the event was about... . public debate and a place to air opinions and counterpoints, live and in person, without the safety net of being removed from live public reaction. 'Tis what makes democracy great... yet so little of it is happening in America today. The upshot? Expect more heated exchanges on Oct. 18, 2007. Only the best of breed are invited to be panelists, and whether you like it or not, you're on the list. Gentlemen:
The debate that ensues here is entirely what the event was about… . public debate and a place to air opinions and counterpoints, live and in person, without the safety net of being removed from live public reaction. ‘Tis what makes democracy great… yet so little of it is happening in America today.
The upshot? Expect more heated exchanges on Oct. 18, 2007. Only the best of breed are invited to be panelists, and whether you like it or not, you’re on the list.

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