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	<title>Comments on: Editorial: I&#8217;m pulling for a Philly newspaper strike</title>
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		<title>By: MOJO</title>
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		<title>By: ntttcmlxib</title>
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		<title>By: apostate scallops, etc</title>
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		<dc:creator>apostate scallops, etc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 06:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media blog writes: "Metro reporters are going to be too arrogant to understand the lessons, let along modify their behavior. They’ll still write their one or two stories a week as if on a print deadline ... They won’t shoot video .... They won’t blog."

Uh, Media blog guy, have you stopped to notice that tons of newspaper reporters are ALREADY blogging, shooting video and writing the news as it happens? Hell, any reporter who's ever worked for a wire service has plenty of experience with 24/7 deadlines. As for "one or two stories a week," what color is the sky on your media planet?

I'm speaking as a newspaper reporter who carries a digital recorder everywhere I go so I can put soundbites online; I maintain a blog, regularly post stories on the Web minutes after they happen, do radio spots and have written the same story both print and TV. I'm not at one of the Philly papers, but I can see from reading Philly.com that their staffs are doing these things too: blogs, podcasts, etc.  Steve, why do you seem to imagine that these journalists are going to be staggering out of 400 N. Broad St., blinking at the world around them and exclaiming, "Wow, these newfangled Internets are amazing!"

Newspapers began moving online in the mid-90s, and I would argue they've been way more forward-looking than other types of media companies (much unlike the recording industry, and unlike Infinity Radio's old no-streaming-allowed policy). With one or two exceptions, none of them have ever charged for content.

The industry's woes have not occurred for any lack of frantically shoveling content online. The major shortcoming has been in finding any way to make enough money to pay for these enormous newsgathering operations, especially with something like 40% of the revenue coming from classified ads. (Or perhaps the woes have come from the owners insisting on monolopy-style 25% profit margins even though the Net has abolished the monopoly. But that's the owners' old thinking, not the journalists'.)

As for the swipe at the name "PhilaPapers," I presume the journalists are aware that an online news site isn't made of any pulped wood product. But what that name does is take advantage of their major advantage over other forms of local news -- namely, a substantial staff of experienced journalists with years/decades of skill in seeking out, sifting and reporting the news. "Living room bloggers" have their place in the ecosystem too, but it only makes sense for the newspapers' staff to leverage the hell out of what they've got. 

I wish them the best of luck, no matter how this strike talk turns out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media blog writes: &#8220;Metro reporters are going to be too arrogant to understand the lessons, let along modify their behavior. They’ll still write their one or two stories a week as if on a print deadline &#8230; They won’t shoot video &#8230;. They won’t blog.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, Media blog guy, have you stopped to notice that tons of newspaper reporters are ALREADY blogging, shooting video and writing the news as it happens? Hell, any reporter who&#8217;s ever worked for a wire service has plenty of experience with 24/7 deadlines. As for &#8220;one or two stories a week,&#8221; what color is the sky on your media planet?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m speaking as a newspaper reporter who carries a digital recorder everywhere I go so I can put soundbites online; I maintain a blog, regularly post stories on the Web minutes after they happen, do radio spots and have written the same story both print and TV. I&#8217;m not at one of the Philly papers, but I can see from reading Philly.com that their staffs are doing these things too: blogs, podcasts, etc.  Steve, why do you seem to imagine that these journalists are going to be staggering out of 400 N. Broad St., blinking at the world around them and exclaiming, &#8220;Wow, these newfangled Internets are amazing!&#8221;</p>
<p>Newspapers began moving online in the mid-90s, and I would argue they&#8217;ve been way more forward-looking than other types of media companies (much unlike the recording industry, and unlike Infinity Radio&#8217;s old no-streaming-allowed policy). With one or two exceptions, none of them have ever charged for content.</p>
<p>The industry&#8217;s woes have not occurred for any lack of frantically shoveling content online. The major shortcoming has been in finding any way to make enough money to pay for these enormous newsgathering operations, especially with something like 40% of the revenue coming from classified ads. (Or perhaps the woes have come from the owners insisting on monolopy-style 25% profit margins even though the Net has abolished the monopoly. But that&#8217;s the owners&#8217; old thinking, not the journalists&#8217;.)</p>
<p>As for the swipe at the name &#8220;PhilaPapers,&#8221; I presume the journalists are aware that an online news site isn&#8217;t made of any pulped wood product. But what that name does is take advantage of their major advantage over other forms of local news &#8212; namely, a substantial staff of experienced journalists with years/decades of skill in seeking out, sifting and reporting the news. &#8220;Living room bloggers&#8221; have their place in the ecosystem too, but it only makes sense for the newspapers&#8217; staff to leverage the hell out of what they&#8217;ve got. </p>
<p>I wish them the best of luck, no matter how this strike talk turns out.</p>
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		<title>By: flotsam</title>
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		<dc:creator>flotsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is the second time i have posted and not within 15 minutes or even a couple of days and gotten the "slow down cowboy message."

you have a problem with this system that is off putting in the extreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the second time i have posted and not within 15 minutes or even a couple of days and gotten the &#8220;slow down cowboy message.&#8221;</p>
<p>you have a problem with this system that is off putting in the extreme.</p>
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		<title>By: Safran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Safran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris: Noted on all counts. Changed Daily Star to Daily News. 

And I did know the ad people were striking. But it's my contention that there's simply no way they would sell enough ads to support a staff of that size. I see exactly one advertiser on Philly.com, one on the Philadelphia Inquirer's homepage none on the Daily News front page and none on internal pages. (Not even Google Ads?) I'm fairly sure that's not going to support a staff of hundreds.

That's not to pick on their ad department. Just doin' the math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: Noted on all counts. Changed Daily Star to Daily News. </p>
<p>And I did know the ad people were striking. But it&#8217;s my contention that there&#8217;s simply no way they would sell enough ads to support a staff of that size. I see exactly one advertiser on Philly.com, one on the Philadelphia Inquirer&#8217;s homepage none on the Daily News front page and none on internal pages. (Not even Google Ads?) I&#8217;m fairly sure that&#8217;s not going to support a staff of hundreds.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to pick on their ad department. Just doin&#8217; the math.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Krewson</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/11/29/editorial-im-pulling-for-a-philly-newspaper-strike/#comment-81513</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Krewson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. 1, it's the Daily News.

No. 2, I'm also fascinated by the possibility -- 200 journalists working solely for online. That's a first in the state -- off the cuff, can anyone think of an online-only operation with that much staff?  And this would by HYPER-local -- no AP or Reuters in sight. (Salon, Slate, etc. are smaller, I believe. CNN, MSNBC.com, NYT.com, WSJ.com don't count for the obvs. reasons.)

No. 3: The site they set up is infinitely easier to use than the one their newspaper maintains.

No. 4: The strikers were set to include advertising people, who would have sold ads. A story posted today on Romenesko says that union extended talks till Dec. 9. Presumably that settles that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 1, it&#8217;s the Daily News.</p>
<p>No. 2, I&#8217;m also fascinated by the possibility &#8212; 200 journalists working solely for online. That&#8217;s a first in the state &#8212; off the cuff, can anyone think of an online-only operation with that much staff?  And this would by HYPER-local &#8212; no AP or Reuters in sight. (Salon, Slate, etc. are smaller, I believe. CNN, MSNBC.com, NYT.com, WSJ.com don&#8217;t count for the obvs. reasons.)</p>
<p>No. 3: The site they set up is infinitely easier to use than the one their newspaper maintains.</p>
<p>No. 4: The strikers were set to include advertising people, who would have sold ads. A story posted today on Romenesko says that union extended talks till Dec. 9. Presumably that settles that.</p>
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		<title>By: thephiladelphiachannel</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/11/29/editorial-im-pulling-for-a-philly-newspaper-strike/#comment-81277</link>
		<dc:creator>thephiladelphiachannel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"loose lips sinks spirits" is also a must read over at local-10 .

talks about eating their young. not a good way to evoke sympathy from the general public.


and who the hell uses the word "lavender" anymore? (except after sitting on the throne reading the paper... as in "now where is that spray can of fresh lavender scented stuff, i've guest coming by!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;loose lips sinks spirits&#8221; is also a must read over at local-10 .</p>
<p>talks about eating their young. not a good way to evoke sympathy from the general public.</p>
<p>and who the hell uses the word &#8220;lavender&#8221; anymore? (except after sitting on the throne reading the paper&#8230; as in &#8220;now where is that spray can of fresh lavender scented stuff, i&#8217;ve guest coming by!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: thephiladelphiachannel</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/11/29/editorial-im-pulling-for-a-philly-newspaper-strike/#comment-81247</link>
		<dc:creator>thephiladelphiachannel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there's a whole lotta space left empty on the philapapers homepage!

you'd think some entreprenuering, union supporter-types would have ponied up some change to at least give the impression there would be hell to pay if these guys walk.

missed opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there&#8217;s a whole lotta space left empty on the philapapers homepage!</p>
<p>you&#8217;d think some entreprenuering, union supporter-types would have ponied up some change to at least give the impression there would be hell to pay if these guys walk.</p>
<p>missed opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: thedetroitchannel</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/11/29/editorial-im-pulling-for-a-philly-newspaper-strike/#comment-81239</link>
		<dc:creator>thedetroitchannel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>howard-

"just blog"???

use the link lr provided in their previous post on this (local-10dotcom) and read the "open letter" dated nov. 18th...

about 1/2 way thru the body of the story you'll find the obligatory swipe at the unwashed; something about "living room blogs". and it ain't positive either.

ahhh, well... we can dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>howard-</p>
<p>&#8220;just blog&#8221;???</p>
<p>use the link lr provided in their previous post on this (local-10dotcom) and read the &#8220;open letter&#8221; dated nov. 18th&#8230;</p>
<p>about 1/2 way thru the body of the story you&#8217;ll find the obligatory swipe at the unwashed; something about &#8220;living room blogs&#8221;. and it ain&#8217;t positive either.</p>
<p>ahhh, well&#8230; we can dream.</p>
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		<title>By: thedetroitchannel</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/11/29/editorial-im-pulling-for-a-philly-newspaper-strike/#comment-81222</link>
		<dc:creator>thedetroitchannel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how can we weed out those pesky gambling sites yet get the links to porn???</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Safran</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/11/29/editorial-im-pulling-for-a-philly-newspaper-strike/#comment-80763</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Safran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim: Thanks for the tip. I've added a note at the end of my editorial. I would go in and change the whole thing but, that wouldn't be transparent. (Translation: I don't want to.)

Plus, I like that it reinforces what you all commented on before the announcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: Thanks for the tip. I&#8217;ve added a note at the end of my editorial. I would go in and change the whole thing but, that wouldn&#8217;t be transparent. (Translation: I don&#8217;t want to.)</p>
<p>Plus, I like that it reinforces what you all commented on before the announcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Media Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/11/29/editorial-im-pulling-for-a-philly-newspaper-strike/#comment-80760</link>
		<dc:creator>Media Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan ... thanks ... and why haven't we done it?  It's the economics of the thing. Those of us who are supposed to figure out how to support online journalism to the degree newspapers do it through online revenue haven't figured it out yet (hope you can figure out my run-on sentence).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8230; thanks &#8230; and why haven&#8217;t we done it?  It&#8217;s the economics of the thing. Those of us who are supposed to figure out how to support online journalism to the degree newspapers do it through online revenue haven&#8217;t figured it out yet (hope you can figure out my run-on sentence).</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Windsor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Windsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Well, they announced the URL of the site - philapapers.com.

That's right. Papers.

So I wouldn't hold my breath on this being particularly groundbreaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Well, they announced the URL of the site - philapapers.com.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right. Papers.</p>
<p>So I wouldn&#8217;t hold my breath on this being particularly groundbreaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2006/11/29/editorial-im-pulling-for-a-philly-newspaper-strike/#comment-80733</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No prob.  I missed the URL note but I see it now.  Considered a login for established users so we can post links but block some of the auto-spam?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No prob.  I missed the URL note but I see it now.  Considered a login for established users so we can post links but block some of the auto-spam?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media blog is, unfortunately, probably correct.
Even with the opportunity right under their noses
to control their own destiny, they have been conditioned otherwise.  Hope I'm wrong.

Love your scenario Steve S.
Of course the question all journalists should ask is,
why not just do this in any city where we live?
Who needs the big, outdated print machines anymore.
But they need to re-read these comments to start to
open their eyes to the possibilities too. 
Interesting to see what happens over the next few years.

And one final thing... 
either content is important ( I think quality writing and
reporting is important) or is isn't. There is a bit of
schizophrenia on this site regarding that point.
Some say just digital data, pixels or whatnot,
is all that's important.... just a bunch of stuff between
the ads.  I hope they are wrong about that.


Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media blog is, unfortunately, probably correct.<br />
Even with the opportunity right under their noses<br />
to control their own destiny, they have been conditioned otherwise.  Hope I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>Love your scenario Steve S.<br />
Of course the question all journalists should ask is,<br />
why not just do this in any city where we live?<br />
Who needs the big, outdated print machines anymore.<br />
But they need to re-read these comments to start to<br />
open their eyes to the possibilities too.<br />
Interesting to see what happens over the next few years.</p>
<p>And one final thing&#8230;<br />
either content is important ( I think quality writing and<br />
reporting is important) or is isn&#8217;t. There is a bit of<br />
schizophrenia on this site regarding that point.<br />
Some say just digital data, pixels or whatnot,<br />
is all that&#8217;s important&#8230;. just a bunch of stuff between<br />
the ads.  I hope they are wrong about that.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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