Comments on: Blog slapped with huge lawsuit http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/ Where TV Finds the Future Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:43:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: prolan5 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-1123473 prolan5 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:39:55 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-1123473 w8GuVK eeeerrrffddgggggggccccc w8GuVK eeeerrrffddgggggggccccc

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]]> By: MOJO http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-698731 MOJO Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:47:34 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-698731 Wow, thanks for the excellent information! Wow, thanks for the excellent information!

]]> By: Lucy http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-689155 Lucy Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:43:58 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-689155 Wow, thanks for the excellent information! Wow, thanks for the excellent information!

]]> By: Stephanie http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-86572 Stephanie Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:21:31 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-86572 Google images is a different story. If you see the way that works, when you search at Google Images, the thumbnails of the images show up in a block list form as a response, but when you click on the thumbnail, a set of frames pops up for Google. The top horizontal frame has the photo thumbnail in it, the dimensions of the actual photo, the URL to the real site who hosts it, and a link to "see actual image." The individual is then directed to the image on the real hosting server. Most copyright court cases that have surfaced in the past 10 years have ruled that the Google-generated thumbnails, as small as they are, are a part of fair use in copyright laws because of their size...Google is directing the user to the real site, and those thumbnails really aren't useable for anything besides an index of sorts. As for other sites, there are oodles out there stealing images. And I agree with almost everyone above; when a person is profiting via the use of the images (or a song, or a work of art or writing or anything copyrighted of that nature), when they should've attained rights to it. I hope X17 wins, for the sake of journalists now and in the future. Google images is a different story. If you see the way that works, when you search at Google Images, the thumbnails of the images show up in a block list form as a response, but when you click on the thumbnail, a set of frames pops up for Google.

The top horizontal frame has the photo thumbnail in it, the dimensions of the actual photo, the URL to the real site who hosts it, and a link to “see actual image.” The individual is then directed to the image on the real hosting server.

Most copyright court cases that have surfaced in the past 10 years have ruled that the Google-generated thumbnails, as small as they are, are a part of fair use in copyright laws because of their size…Google is directing the user to the real site, and those thumbnails really aren’t useable for anything besides an index of sorts.

As for other sites, there are oodles out there stealing images. And I agree with almost everyone above; when a person is profiting via the use of the images (or a song, or a work of art or writing or anything copyrighted of that nature), when they should’ve attained rights to it.

I hope X17 wins, for the sake of journalists now and in the future.

]]> By: Eric http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-83637 Eric Sat, 02 Dec 2006 18:06:20 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-83637 But in the real world, the obligation should not be on that of the copyright holder. It's not okay to steal something just because you took it down after you were caught. But in the real world, the obligation should not be on that of the copyright holder. It’s not okay to steal something just because you took it down after you were caught.

]]> By: Peggy Archer http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-83578 Peggy Archer Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:17:56 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-83578 What's not been mentioned is that although other blogs post photos without license agreements, when contacted by the photo agencies, the other bloggers will remove the photos willingly. From what I understand, Perez hasn't done that, hence the lawsuit. I also agree that it's a good idea to have a special license just for bloggers, although if these revenue estimates are true, I think Perez can easily afford to pay full license rates. What’s not been mentioned is that although other blogs post photos without license agreements, when contacted by the photo agencies, the other bloggers will remove the photos willingly.

From what I understand, Perez hasn’t done that, hence the lawsuit.

I also agree that it’s a good idea to have a special license just for bloggers, although if these revenue estimates are true, I think Perez can easily afford to pay full license rates.

]]> By: threz http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-83103 threz Sat, 02 Dec 2006 04:37:58 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-83103 I don't think they'll win - although I certainly sympathize with them. What about google images/news, archive.org etc. and a million other sites that cache images instead of hotlinking. It makes me wonder where perezhilton is getting the images from in the first place though. X17's site? I don’t think they’ll win - although I certainly sympathize with them.

What about google images/news, archive.org etc. and a million other sites that cache images instead of hotlinking.

It makes me wonder where perezhilton is getting the images from in the first place though. X17’s site?

]]> By: Steve Safran http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-82647 Steve Safran Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:10:26 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-82647 Don't worry, David. It's only a temporary condition. Don’t worry, David. It’s only a temporary condition.

]]> By: David Johnson http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-82624 David Johnson Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:54:56 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-82624 I am shocked, *shocked*, to agree with you yet again, Saf. All news and photo services have opportunities to grow their businesses by selling to bloggers. The trick is to do it in a way that protects the value of the service to the current core customers. The newspaper industry took a hit and half back in the nineties when the AP started selling their content to online only operations, and the member collective has really changed since. It started the whole content as commodity issue. However, just following that example, newspapers number about 1400 in the U.S., and lostremoters know how many blogs there are starting up every... single...day. That is a market established content providers need to figure out. YouTube sure got to eat with the classes by selling to the masses. I am shocked, *shocked*, to agree with you yet again, Saf. All news and photo services have opportunities to grow their businesses by selling to bloggers. The trick is to do it in a way that protects the value of the service to the current core customers. The newspaper industry took a hit and half back in the nineties when the AP started selling their content to online only operations, and the member collective has really changed since. It started the whole content as commodity issue. However, just following that example, newspapers number about 1400 in the U.S., and lostremoters know how many blogs there are starting up every… single…day. That is a market established content providers need to figure out. YouTube sure got to eat with the classes by selling to the masses.

]]> By: Everett W. http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-82602 Everett W. Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:35:53 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-82602 I've never posted a photo on any of my blogs ever. This is why. Who needs the copyright headaches? I’ve never posted a photo on any of my blogs ever. This is why. Who needs the copyright headaches?

]]> By: Safran http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-82568 Safran Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:04:19 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-82568 In complete agreement with John. If you're using other people's content in full without paying for it or getting permission, you're stealing it. If you're making money off that stolen property, the owners have every right to that money. X17 is missing an opportunity here, to be sure. As Liza points out at Culture Kitchen, there is a chance here to have a real photorazzi service for bloggers. Professional photo services cost a fortune. Something could be worked out. There are currently 20 ads on the front of the site Using Cory's numbers, that's an average of $12,500 per ad or $250,000 a week. Perez is a $13 million-a-year industry? Even if we're WAY off, there has got to be a way to share the money which will make everyone happy. In complete agreement with John. If you’re using other people’s content in full without paying for it or getting permission, you’re stealing it. If you’re making money off that stolen property, the owners have every right to that money.

X17 is missing an opportunity here, to be sure. As Liza points out at Culture Kitchen, there is a chance here to have a real photorazzi service for bloggers. Professional photo services cost a fortune. Something could be worked out.

There are currently 20 ads on the front of the site Using Cory’s numbers, that’s an average of $12,500 per ad or $250,000 a week. Perez is a $13 million-a-year industry? Even if we’re WAY off, there has got to be a way to share the money which will make everyone happy.

]]> By: John http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-82562 John Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:46:20 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/01/blog-slapped-with-huge-lawsuit/#comment-82562 "may" have a case? Of course they have a case. It's theft. You wouldn't use Reuters or AP photos on your news site without a license agreement to do so. While not as big a deal, it always drives me nuts when I see bloggers cut and paste an entire article from my news site onto their sites without so much as a link back. Sometimes they'll put in our byline, but what good does it do me? They get ad impressions that should be mine. “may” have a case? Of course they have a case. It’s theft. You wouldn’t use Reuters or AP photos on your news site without a license agreement to do so.

While not as big a deal, it always drives me nuts when I see bloggers cut and paste an entire article from my news site onto their sites without so much as a link back.

Sometimes they’ll put in our byline, but what good does it do me? They get ad impressions that should be mine.

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