Comments on: Did online maps help Kim family get lost? http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/ Where TV Finds the Future Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:51:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Sam http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-698900 Sam Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:45:43 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-698900 Wow, thanks for the excellent information! Wow, thanks for the excellent information!

]]> By: Kevin http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-94055 Kevin Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:30:21 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-94055 I grew up in an area a bit south of Gold Beach, and have been over Bear Camp a few times. I agree that these people getting lost, and James Kim dying is quite the tragedy, but I also agree that if you persist in being stupid bad things will happen. Bear Camp is a bad road in winter, we've made that quite clear, but we can't say that the Kim's didn't know that becasue there are big warning signs that you really can't miss. Also, even if they did figure they could get through, they should have realised they couldn't when the snow started getting deep. Number two, if James decided he had to leave the car, he should have stayed ON THE ROAD not gone galavanting through the brush to find the river. My heart really does go out to the Kim family, but we have to look at the facts here people, there is no one here to blame but the Kim's for not turning around when they had the oppurtunity. I grew up in an area a bit south of Gold Beach, and have been over Bear Camp a few times. I agree that these people getting lost, and James Kim dying is quite the tragedy, but I also agree that if you persist in being stupid bad things will happen. Bear Camp is a bad road in winter, we’ve made that quite clear, but we can’t say that the Kim’s didn’t know that becasue there are big warning signs that you really can’t miss. Also, even if they did figure they could get through, they should have realised they couldn’t when the snow started getting deep. Number two, if James decided he had to leave the car, he should have stayed ON THE ROAD not gone galavanting through the brush to find the river. My heart really does go out to the Kim family, but we have to look at the facts here people, there is no one here to blame but the Kim’s for not turning around when they had the oppurtunity.

]]> By: 8020 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-88131 8020 Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:14:54 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-88131 "Fascinating" - no. Important to note in the interests of helping to prevent future such tragedies - yes. A number of those roads are marked in red on ODOT maps (Oregon Department of Transportation) as "This route closed in winter" because they are not plowed/salted/etc. in the winter months as Gordie noted above. My deepest condolences go out to the Kim family and their friends. James was clearly quite beloved by the community, and will obviously be missed. “Fascinating” - no. Important to note in the interests of helping to prevent future such tragedies - yes.

A number of those roads are marked in red on ODOT maps (Oregon Department of Transportation) as “This route closed in winter” because they are not plowed/salted/etc. in the winter months as Gordie noted above.

My deepest condolences go out to the Kim family and their friends. James was clearly quite beloved by the community, and will obviously be missed.

]]> By: ryan http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87623 ryan Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:55:47 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87623 oh by the way jose,the bill for a rescue effort usually is passed along to the folks who are rescued.i know this because i am a member of a search and rescue team. oh by the way jose,the bill for a rescue effort usually is passed along to the folks who are rescued.i know this because i am a member of a search and rescue team.

]]> By: ryan http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87619 ryan Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:49:32 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87619 to blame american citizens for getting lost on an american road is stupid,i hate to break it to you but the state of oregon is part of the usa,it is not a special little seperate nation with a really lame economy.these people had a right to travel through the independent nation of oregon.for all you people who are lame enough to actually say that this family got what they deserved will get your in the end. to blame american citizens for getting lost on an american road is stupid,i hate to break it to you but the state of oregon is part of the usa,it is not a special little seperate nation with a really lame economy.these people had a right to travel through the independent nation of oregon.for all you people who are lame enough to actually say that this family got what they deserved will get your in the end.

]]> By: thedetroitchannel http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87379 thedetroitchannel Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:16:17 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87379 jose joseph - heartless. if the guy is found safe then you make this sort of statement. otherwise, stfu. please! jose joseph - heartless.

if the guy is found safe then you make this sort of statement. otherwise, stfu. please!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87190 Anonymous Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:58:07 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87190 where did you guys get the photo of kati kim? don't you think you should credit the appropriae source? where did you guys get the photo of kati kim? don’t you think you should credit the appropriae source?

]]> By: Gordie http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87136 Gordie Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:47:50 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87136 I live right near the road the Kims tried to take from Merlin towards Gold Beach. Even if they used on-line maps to find it, they still either missed or discounted a couple of large warning signs about snowy conditions a few miles ahead, then proceeded miles up a winding, rutted, narrow two-lane or one-lane-with-pullouts road. And they kept going despite the unplowed snow. Between winter snow and rockslides, the Bear Camp Road they were trying to follow snows closed this time of year and often isn't fully passable often until Memorial Day weekend (and occasionally after). I can understand though how they took a wrong fork and ended up 15 miles off the Bear Camp Road...even when conditions are good, it's not always easy to choose the right forks up there. One thing the Kims obviously consistently failed to do is turn around...when they missed their turnoff near Roseburg, when they saw (or at least passed) the snow signs (which are a few miles apart), when the Bear Camp Road started looking poor and rugged, and when they found snow. I sure hope it didn't cost them more than it already has. I live right near the road the Kims tried to take from Merlin towards Gold Beach. Even if they used on-line maps to find it, they still either missed or discounted a couple of large warning signs about snowy conditions a few miles ahead, then proceeded miles up a winding, rutted, narrow two-lane or one-lane-with-pullouts road. And they kept going despite the unplowed snow. Between winter snow and rockslides, the Bear Camp Road they were trying to follow snows closed this time of year and often isn’t fully passable often until Memorial Day weekend (and occasionally after).

I can understand though how they took a wrong fork and ended up 15 miles off the Bear Camp Road…even when conditions are good, it’s not always easy to choose the right forks up there.

One thing the Kims obviously consistently failed to do is turn around…when they missed their turnoff near Roseburg, when they saw (or at least passed) the snow signs (which are a few miles apart), when the Bear Camp Road started looking poor and rugged, and when they found snow. I sure hope it didn’t cost them more than it already has.

]]> By: Jose Joseph http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87098 Jose Joseph Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:54:31 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87098 People like this should be sent a bill for the distress they cause to the rescue searchers. Highways are given to us to make travel easier. Why did these nitwits try to take a shortcut in winter? It reminds me of the tourists who stop to feed the bears, and get bit. Or sailors who get stuck on reefs. It's not our problem, so leave us alone! People like this should be sent a bill for the distress they cause to the rescue searchers. Highways are given to us to make travel easier. Why did these nitwits try to take a shortcut in winter? It reminds me of the tourists who stop to feed the bears, and get bit. Or sailors who get stuck on reefs. It’s not our problem, so leave us alone!

]]> By: Joel http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87076 Joel Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:21:11 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-87076 This is interesting. I wonder if a mapping company or service can be found legally responsible. I know I have relied on Google maps and then later found out it wasn’t the best route. This is interesting. I wonder if a mapping company or service can be found legally responsible. I know I have relied on Google maps and then later found out it wasn’t the best route.

]]> By: Everett W. http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-86815 Everett W. Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:41:11 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-86815 And at this point, it's not just the Pac NW and Bay Area obsessed over this story. It's gone national in a significant way. And at this point, it’s not just the Pac NW and Bay Area obsessed over this story. It’s gone national in a significant way.

]]> By: themappingchannel http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-86770 themappingchannel Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:08:27 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2006/12/05/did-online-maps-get-kim-family-lost/#comment-86770 It's only 'fascinating' if James is found alive. Otherwise, it's a tragedy. It’s only ‘fascinating’ if James is found alive. Otherwise, it’s a tragedy.

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