Comments on: Tribune’s Zell: Stop giving content to Google http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/ Where TV Finds the Future Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:16:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: G Man http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-273130 G Man Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:42:44 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-273130 The Google police (G-Men I guess - I must be one of them) are coming for you. The Google police (G-Men I guess - I must be one of them) are coming for you.

]]> By: Dan http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272833 Dan Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:31:16 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272833 If google abuses it's position as a great search engine, or is proven to have used unethical business tactics, people will migrate away from them. This has been proven over and over in business. It doesn't happen overnight but it does happen. No need to worry. Finally, google.com is a search company. If I want to see all the stories about Don Imus today, go to news.google.com and see a selection of 2,157 stores to choose from, all linked to the source. These stories are not copied into Yahoo or AOL or google's own home pages, they are links to the newspapers and organizations around the world. If this isn't useful to get a variety of sources for a story, I don't know what is. If you think people are going to go to 2000 individual news sites and search each one for Don Imus stories, you are not playing with a full deck. Dan If google abuses it’s position as a great search engine,
or is proven to have used unethical business tactics,
people will migrate away from them. This has been
proven over and over in business. It doesn’t happen
overnight but it does happen. No need to worry.

Finally, google.com is a search company.
If I want to see all the stories about Don Imus today,
go to news.google.com and see a selection of
2,157 stores to choose from, all linked to the source.
These stories are not copied into Yahoo or AOL or
google’s own home pages, they are links to the newspapers and organizations around the world.
If this isn’t useful to get a variety of
sources for a story, I don’t know what is.
If you think people are going to go to 2000 individual
news sites and search each one for Don Imus
stories, you are not playing with a full deck.

Dan

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272509 Anonymous Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:49:30 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272509 Google's "profits" are only transitory. Clearly they're based on click-fraud and a flawed algorithm, so it's only a matter of time until regulators get involved. There are others making the same claim, but right now, everyone's fighting this "Google is great" mantra and their power to quash is as great as Microsoft's. Hence, why I've been commenting with unsigned information. They scare the hell out of me. Google’s “profits” are only transitory. Clearly they’re based on click-fraud and a flawed algorithm, so it’s only a matter of time until regulators get involved. There are others making the same claim, but right now, everyone’s fighting this “Google is great” mantra and their power to quash is as great as Microsoft’s. Hence, why I’ve been commenting with unsigned information. They scare the hell out of me.

]]> By: invitedmedia http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272477 invitedmedia Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:41:55 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272477 i read and heard all about sago from some of the biggest media companies in the world. the boston terrorist sign-a-thon too. your point? i read and heard all about sago from some of the biggest media companies in the world.

the boston terrorist sign-a-thon too.

your point?

]]> By: john anthony http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272474 john anthony Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:39:36 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272474 Google would still be extremely profitable b/c the value they bring is mostly due to the sophistication of their search algorithms which is something Yahoo and all other search networks have tried to duplicate unsuccessfully for years now. Google would still be extremely profitable b/c the value they bring is mostly due to the sophistication of their search algorithms which is something Yahoo and all other search networks have tried to duplicate unsuccessfully for years now.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272468 Anonymous Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:32:58 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272468 (The lady whose house was stripped because of an anonymous Craigslist ad and the unthinking people who responded, she probably isn't one of the service's biggest fans) I guess all this is besides the point. Yes, Mr Zell may decide to sue. Personally, I wouldn't blame him because time and time again, whenever Google has been sued, they've settled. But, what I find disappointing as a citizen is the fact that if he were to withhold his content, the readers of this blog, many of which are in the news business wouldn't go the extra step of going to the source. Instead, they'd rather not know what's in some of the largest newspapers in the world, either because Google didn't fetch it or because they can't be bothered with typing-in an url. Darwin wrote of improvements to a species. Homogenization is pretty much the opposite of his work. (The lady whose house was stripped because of an anonymous Craigslist ad and the unthinking people who responded, she probably isn’t one of the service’s biggest fans)

I guess all this is besides the point. Yes, Mr Zell may decide to sue. Personally, I wouldn’t blame him because time and time again, whenever Google has been sued, they’ve settled.

But, what I find disappointing as a citizen is the fact that if he were to withhold his content, the readers of this blog, many of which are in the news business wouldn’t go the extra step of going to the source. Instead, they’d rather not know what’s in some of the largest newspapers in the world, either because Google didn’t fetch it or because they can’t be bothered with typing-in an url.

Darwin wrote of improvements to a species.
Homogenization is pretty much the opposite of his work.

]]> By: G Man http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272452 G Man Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:00:03 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272452 Also, how about that EVIL Craig's List - stealing all that classified ad revenue from these badly run newspapers. "Adapt or die" - Darwin Also, how about that EVIL Craig’s List - stealing all that classified ad revenue from these badly run newspapers.

“Adapt or die” - Darwin

]]> By: Tim http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272280 Tim Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:45:43 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272280 A "renewed focus on local content" as The Tony said, is this year's trend in newspapers; my local is doing the same thing and it's owned by Gannett. I believe LR has been pushing this idea for local TV stations, as well as local newspaper's web sites. Local media outlets not only _should_ have some local focus, but they _must_ if they are to survive. As for Google being 'evil' or not - forget the emotional aspects. It boils down to three words: People use Google. Adapt. Because Google has incredible "mind share" (hey who put that Nielsen device in my brain?) they get a lot of free press for what they do, including from the Apple cultists - who, by the way, are more of a benign, Pilates-and-incense cult than a zombie-making voodoo cult. They also do what they do very well - the reason their search engine became so popular in the first place was because it worked so well, not because it was 'cool'. As with many things in the 'new media' (when will we stop calling mass-market Internet, which is at least 15 years old, 'new'?) it's a Darwinian thing: adapt or die. A “renewed focus on local content” as The Tony said, is this year’s trend in newspapers; my local is doing the same thing and it’s owned by Gannett. I believe LR has been pushing this idea for local TV stations, as well as local newspaper’s web sites. Local media outlets not only _should_ have some local focus, but they _must_ if they are to survive.

As for Google being ‘evil’ or not - forget the emotional aspects. It boils down to three words:

People use Google. Adapt.

Because Google has incredible “mind share” (hey who put that Nielsen device in my brain?) they get a lot of free press for what they do, including from the Apple cultists - who, by the way, are more of a benign, Pilates-and-incense cult than a zombie-making voodoo cult.

They also do what they do very well - the reason their search engine became so popular in the first place was because it worked so well, not because it was ‘cool’.

As with many things in the ‘new media’ (when will we stop calling mass-market Internet, which is at least 15 years old, ‘new’?) it’s a Darwinian thing: adapt or die.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272176 Anonymous Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:56:44 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272176 It's sort of like those "Ads by Google" which have been getting bigger and moving up the sidebar of this site. Obviously, we're not clicking the ads, statistically few people actually click them and they tend to be the less knowledgable user, something this site generally lacks. A newspaper gets it's prestige from its reputation and they may be getting an increasing amount of revenue from their website, but most of them are not there, yet. For a newspaper's online venture to be deemed a success, they need people to see it as a destination, a reputable news source and people clicking a link in Google without caring where it's going doesn't help toward that end. And, it can be argued that by putting a reputatable paper on the same level as every Tom, Dick and Harry's blog, the paper's repuation could actually be harmed. "Where'd you see the article?" "I don't know, it was on Google". It’s sort of like those “Ads by Google” which have been getting bigger and moving up the sidebar of this site. Obviously, we’re not clicking the ads, statistically few people actually click them and they tend to be the less knowledgable user, something this site generally lacks.

A newspaper gets it’s prestige from its reputation and they may be getting an increasing amount of revenue from their website, but most of them are not there, yet. For a newspaper’s online venture to be deemed a success, they need people to see it as a destination, a reputable news source and people clicking a link in Google without caring where it’s going doesn’t help toward that end. And, it can be argued that by putting a reputatable paper on the same level as every Tom, Dick and Harry’s blog, the paper’s repuation could actually be harmed.

“Where’d you see the article?”
“I don’t know, it was on Google”.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272166 Anonymous Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:47:00 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272166 And, perhaps it should also be said that flashing-in to read a single article doesn't really give the paper a lot of revenue, if any. In fact, perhaps an argument could be made that people habitually grazing a site via Google, the paper is actually losing an opportunity because there's less reason for someone to be a regular reader of the paper or the site. And, perhaps it should also be said that flashing-in to read a single article doesn’t really give the paper a lot of revenue, if any. In fact, perhaps an argument could be made that people habitually grazing a site via Google, the paper is actually losing an opportunity because there’s less reason for someone to be a regular reader of the paper or the site.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272156 Anonymous Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:38:17 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-272156 If the Tribune Company were to take all of their papers out of Google and if McClatchy were to do the same, there wouldn't be much left for Google to monetize, especially if they were to also withhold all of their syndicated product which appears in smaller papers. As for not caring about where you get your content, please remember that the next time a Mom & Pop store goes out as a result of Walmart, or the next time an independent bookseller has to close because of competition from Amazon and the chains. Life may become as simple as it was in the days of Ike Godsey's store, when we're back to everything coming from one or two sources and just a couple of networks, but what is the true price of that convenience? If the Tribune Company were to take all of their papers out of Google and if McClatchy were to do the same, there wouldn’t be much left for Google to monetize, especially if they were to also withhold all of their syndicated product which appears in smaller papers.

As for not caring about where you get your content, please remember that the next time a Mom & Pop store goes out as a result of Walmart, or the next time an independent bookseller has to close because of competition from Amazon and the chains.

Life may become as simple as it was in the days of Ike Godsey’s store, when we’re back to everything coming from one or two sources and just a couple of networks, but what is the true price of that convenience?

]]> By: The Tony http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-271958 The Tony Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:37:09 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-271958 (continued) ... I love Apple and use Google religiously. In the end, it's all about customization, the personal experience, and whoever makes finding what I want to find easiest and quickest. I don't care about Tribune's content ownership. And I certainly don't care about Mr. Zell's vast fortune or his opinions if he's going to continue down the path of the dinosaurs. I just want to read the article, and I'd wager plenty of users, regardless of which search engine they use to find that article, would agree. If it ain't on Google, I won't be finding it. I'm not used to searching this stuff out. I'm used to going to one or two places and having all that information collected FOR me. Or like with YouTube...I don't care who owns the video. Maybe I SHOULD, but I DON'T, and I'm sure the average user-monkey doesn't, either. I just want to watch the video and maybe upload something I find interesting for others to enjoy. (continued) …

I love Apple and use Google religiously.

In the end, it’s all about customization, the personal experience, and whoever makes finding what I want to find easiest and quickest.

I don’t care about Tribune’s content ownership. And I certainly don’t care about Mr. Zell’s vast fortune or his opinions if he’s going to continue down the path of the dinosaurs.

I just want to read the article, and I’d wager plenty of users, regardless of which search engine they use to find that article, would agree. If it ain’t on Google, I won’t be finding it. I’m not used to searching this stuff out. I’m used to going to one or two places and having all that information collected FOR me.

Or like with YouTube…I don’t care who owns the video. Maybe I SHOULD, but I DON’T, and I’m sure the average user-monkey doesn’t, either.

I just want to watch the video and maybe upload something I find interesting for others to enjoy.

]]> By: The Tony http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-271950 The Tony Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:31:15 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-271950 Tribune's supposed to have this "renewed focus on local content" now that a new overlord has been named. Over the years, working for a local affiliate, I've learned that the word "local" really means "detached from reality, and lost in your own, self-important little universe." Sounds like more closed-minded thinking from another old, rich guy. Anyone thinking destroying what little progress local stations have made in recent years is a good thing is an R-tard, and Apple is GOD. I Tribune’s supposed to have this “renewed focus on local content” now that a new overlord has been named.

Over the years, working for a local affiliate, I’ve learned that the word “local” really means “detached from reality, and lost in your own, self-important little universe.”

Sounds like more closed-minded thinking from another old, rich guy.

Anyone thinking destroying what little progress local stations have made in recent years is a good thing is an R-tard, and Apple is GOD. I

]]> By: Joel http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-271868 Joel Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:21:10 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-271868 If Google was truly evil they would block all of Sam Zell's media assets from any Google search. If Google was truly evil they would block all of Sam Zell’s media assets from any Google search.

]]> By: Steve Safran http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-271852 Steve Safran Mon, 09 Apr 2007 00:57:38 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/04/08/tribunes-zell-stop-giving-content-to-google/#comment-271852 Wait - I've been out all day. How come nobody defended me and the rest of the Appple Cultists? Come on, people! Who's got my back? Wait - I’ve been out all day. How come nobody defended me and the rest of the Appple Cultists? Come on, people! Who’s got my back?

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