ABCNews.com to stream debate on God

Cory Bergman May 3rd, 2007

As part of a new segment on Nightline called “Face-Off,” ABCNews.com will stream a debate between Christians (Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort) and athiests (the folks behind BlasphemyChallenge.com) over the existence of God. The debate will appear online and on ABC News Now on May 9th at 2 p.m. and then it will air later that night on Nightline. I imagine a regular series of debates like these could become quite popular online, and it will certainly take advantage of ABCNews.com’s new user participation features. (The advance story already has over 300 comments and counting…)

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  • 1. Greg  |  May 3rd, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    Kirk Cameron? That’s the best they could get on the Christian side?

  • 2. Brad  |  May 3rd, 2007 at 8:36 pm

    Wait, atheists use the internet?

  • 3. Safran  |  May 3rd, 2007 at 8:38 pm

    As usual, the third party candidates get left out of the debate. Where is the representative for the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

  • 4. The Tony  |  May 3rd, 2007 at 9:13 pm

    Why should Christians be the religious group to speak on behalf of “God?”

    Don’t other religions have gods/a God of their own?

    This country’s retarded and absolutely blind.

    This sensationalistic crap is part of the reason I can’t stand watching 99% of TV news. There will be no answers provided.

    Adding fuel to a debate is not news. No side will offer any new insight, and neither will admit defeat.

    Either you’re religious or you’re not. Who cares?! There are real problems to deal with today. Why not do a story on how many of those problems are created by religion? There’s a controversy magnet for your Sweeps programming…

    Get over it, people.

  • 5. Michael Gorman  |  May 4th, 2007 at 9:03 am

    Holy crap! This will get heated.

  • 6. Anonymous  |  May 4th, 2007 at 10:51 am

    The photos help me decide whose side I’m on. Christians are corny but atheists are freaky. I guess I’d rather be freaky. Go atheism!

    Just don’t burn a question mark on my lawn.

  • 7. Kelly  |  May 4th, 2007 at 11:30 am

    I am proud to say I’m a Christian, but I won’t judge anyone whether they’re atheists or not. If you acclaim or say you’re an atheist, and don’t believe in God, then obviously you don’t think there’s a God. If you do, it’s not the God, it’s gods-from what I know. Who cares? Those of you that do care will get offended no matter what other people say, esepcially if that’s what you want to hear..that’s what you’re going to hear. This is so retarded. Why not talk about the stock exchange or something worth debating? People have opinions and their own believes, leave everyone alone. MY GOODNESS!

  • 8. Stephen Downes  |  May 4th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Anything to avoid talking about Iraq and global warming, I guess…

  • 9. Safran  |  May 4th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    When’s the Red Sox vs Yankees debate?

  • 10. Kevin  |  May 7th, 2007 at 10:13 pm

    Takes too much faith to believe that absolutely nothing exists more powerful than mankind. I just pray God hasn’t stopped believing in us.

  • 11. shirley  |  May 9th, 2007 at 9:20 pm

    I KNOW theres is a God.,,,,,”In God we trust.”..all others pay cash.{.think on that one} and why do all athiests want to go to heaven??

  • 12. Ana  |  May 9th, 2007 at 9:37 pm

    I applaud you for GOD is everywhere,Unfortunately when an atheist is faced with a near death situation,then and only then, they will only have one option, to believe . Only then will they come back to make a real difference. Or they may stay with God,and know that ” ” is real. Thanks in advance for your time.

  • 13. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 9th, 2007 at 9:38 pm

    I feel sorry for anyone who does not believe in GOD!! The world is not perfect because of the sin of man. GOD created each of us out of Love and did not want us to be puppets!! GOD does not force You to believe in HIM and when JESUS returns I will go with JESUS to HEAVEN and the non-believers will go to hell. I pray for the non-believers that they find GOD before it is too late. !! You will be sorry for Your disbelief and You will “live” in hell for eternity and I wil live in HEAVEN for Eternity. You have Your chance. Be Wise, not stupid!! Love , Wanda Maire’ =A follower of CHRIST=The TRINITY!!! PS Being a CHRISTIAN does not make us perfect because only JESUS was and JESUS died for All and Rose and will be coming again!!

  • 14. Justin Keith Osborne  |  May 9th, 2007 at 9:54 pm

    to whom it may concern
    if you can understand the concept of a vacuum? then
    imagine a vacuum, the size of earth, times a trillion cubed.
    that ,is only a speck of measure too infinity.
    it is impossible to derive something from nothing.
    GOD IS THE BIG BANG!
    the missing link has never been found.(he dose not exist)every life form was and is created by GOD.
    Gods presence goes on through out infinitude.
    the bible is the word of god, and the bible code
    lends credibility to the fact that only the most supreme
    being could compile such a book. that speaks of
    love forgivness and compassion for one another.

  • 15. Angie Garza  |  May 9th, 2007 at 10:18 pm

    I don’t know why an athiests does not care abaout going to hell, not even satan wants to go ther. I pray for all christians who are standing on the rock. Stand firm, the time is near.

  • 16. gregg m  |  May 9th, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    i think its sad that the human race believes in gods instead of them selfs. what ever happened to thou shall not kill. every one knows there has been to many wars and killing of one another over so many different religous believes. every one i,ve asked why they believe in god, the answer is always the same, because my father and mother taught me so, not because they believe, think about that one. people believe in some sort of god because there greedy for more life after death, they can,t accept that death is the end of life. sorry when your dead your dead, i,ts over, so deal with it. i feel sorry for the people who believe in gods, and live there whole life in fear of heaven and hell, what a waste of life, especialy the christians, there the worst. i,m a non believer and my name gregg not athiests, so d,ont label me, also all athiests don,t want to go to heaven, because they don,t believe in heaven and hell or god remember! christians don,t feel sorry for the non-believers, feel sorry for your own selfs, thats all for know, i will write again. gregg m.

  • 17. gregg m  |  May 10th, 2007 at 12:45 am

    another question, why is it that every one believes there religion is the one and only religion.then they want to shove it down your throat trying to convince to convert to there religion. also what about the preist and preachers and other heads of religion that believe in god so much with all there hearts, that they spend most of there lives brain washing us that there is a god, that they commit sins against innoncent children, such as molesting them sexually. are they not afraid of going to hell,i guess not. what does that tell you, must not be a hell. what is even worse is that there are people high up in the churchs that cover it up and decieve and lie to the people. are they not even afraid of god or hell. explain that. guess not. wake up people and start thinking for your selfs. live in the real world instead of the non-existing spiritual world. stop killing the innoncent in the name god, budha, allah, and any others gods there might be. please in the name of us and your children i begg you. praise the human race. i will write again, gregg m.

  • 18. Mike M  |  May 10th, 2007 at 5:09 am

    In response to Gregg M. You are correct there are religious leaders who have sinned and others who have tried to cover it up. No one here is perfect. We all sin. Just because a person sins doesn’t mean they don’t believe in Heaven and hell. Your argument has no substance.
    In your earlier comment you said people live in fear of heaven and hell. No one who believes in the lord lives in fear of Heaven. They live in anticipation of the glory of it all.
    I ask you to explain this. There are over 300 prophecies written hundreds of years prior to the birth of Jesus. Some of these prophecies foretold of His birth and crucifixion. ALL of these prophecies have come true. That is the equivalence of smashing a watch into a million pieces, throwing the pieces into the air and having it land back on the ground in its original form. How have all these prophecies come true Gregg?

  • 19. BJ S.C.  |  May 10th, 2007 at 6:41 am

    I am a christian and agree with Wanda and Mike. If christians were pushing something bad, ie: drugs, porn,guns, murder,adultry, stealing, etc, then I might be able to understand the atheist point of view. But look at the 10 Commandments of God. What do they promote?Love of fellow human beings, respect for them as well as ourselves,and a way to live a happy, productive life. And Jesus made it even easier to follow…Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. And thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Paraphrased from Matthew 22:37. What a beautiful world this would be, if only we would believe and follow that. But man has free will. Society, in part, has allowed the ravages of drugs, guns, murder, rape, adultry, etc. to take over. Put blame where it belongs. Just because a person says they are a christian, doesn’t make them one. A true christian will try their very best to follow God’s commandments, and you will be able to see that. Are some of you that ignorant to believe that a priest or anyone else that claims to be a christian, is one, when they commit murder, rape, an horrible sin against children, etc??????Just look at our history from when God was taken out of schools and things like abortion were allowed. Compare todays news headlines to that of 40 years ago. Use the brain that GOD put between your ears, wake up and see what you can do to make things better. If you look in the right direction, you will see God has all the right guidelines for a wonderful society.And to Gregg, learn how to type, and get more informed!!!! As for Tony, go visit a state facility, and learn what it really means to be retarded or blind, before you use that reference again. Most people with disabilities, believe in God, and have more love and compassion than you could ever hope for.Jesus is coming back soon…and no, it won’t be in a spaceship!!!!!!! But for those of you who remain stubborn and ready to argue till the death that there is no God….when millions of people, whom you believe were radical christians, suddenly disappear in a trwinkling of an eye…then you will realize we were right and you were wrong. You see… if I am right in what I believe, and you believe me, then you too will live forever with God. BUT… if you choose not to believe, then you alone have made that choice to burn in hell forever…you lose. Sad part about it, you won’t know for sure till you’re dead…and then it’s too late.I will continue to pray for all the non-believers of this world, you just don’t know what you are missing. Thank you abc, for getting this started. Maybe it will help others to find God. And a big thank you to Kurt and Ray, for stepping out in faith and doing as God requires us, to spread the good newa that there is a God and we can have life eternal with him. Get involved, find out how, ask questions and intelligently seek answers. God bless all who believe. ps. Did I hear the male atheist say “oh my God”, when Kurt was showing the pictures of the crazy animals?????Maybe there is still hope for him. And that means there is still hope for you.

  • 20. Luke A  |  May 10th, 2007 at 7:04 am

    Who wrote these prophecies? Please list 100 of the “over 300″, and who they were written by, I think you’ll find they were rather ambiguous as to allow a sort of “free interpretation”.

    That is not of course to take into account the numerous mis-translations of the bible that wind up leading to misconceptions such as the necessity of a “virgin” birth, which was really a mis-translation of the word for young woman.

    Perhaps check the facts on your religion sometime. Try reading ALL the gospels, Thomas, Mary, etc. etc that were conveniently left out of the New testament because they were “too unbelievable”. Read up on the Council of Nantes and why it makes Jesus’ so called sacrifice much less noble. Educate yourself as to why YHWH, the Hebrew god you so fervently believe in never had an opposing force, a.k.a. the Devil until the idea was swept into the religion through the concept of dualism found in other Persian religions of the time.

    Christianity is the great conformist religion and that is one of the reasons it has done so well. It never tries to ‘beat’ other religions, it just swallows them up, making them a part of itself. Constantine was actually a worshipper of the Sun God, and moved the Christian holy day to Sunday (instead of the then normal Saturday sabbath) in honor of his God. All of these tid-bits of info scream at how much you’ve been lied to all your life. These orders were not handed down by God in the beginning of days but were made up by people in power as they went along to keep all of you sheep in line. Religion has its uses, and people in power love using it.

    Want to conquer a nation? Send in the priests to subdue the people so you can massacre them in the name of the Lord. Good ole “Manifest Destiny” at work. What an imaginative tool we have in Religion, incredibly useful if I do say so myself. So keep practicing the faith and keep those eyes shut. Nobody up top is going to care as long as you don’t get in their way.

  • 21. William Payne  |  May 10th, 2007 at 7:56 am

    Either side has a good argument in this debate. The Christian says, “If there is not a Creator, then how can all of this exist?” “The human body is so complex that something, or someone, with greater powers than man, had to have a hand in it’s creation.

    The Atheist asked, “If your Creator is so powerful, then who created him?” “You give me this answer.” “God has always been, or he is outside of time.” “At some point , God had to have a beginning, no matter how far you go back.”

  • 22. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 10th, 2007 at 11:50 pm

    Dear Angie, Mike , and BJSC., We are truly the lucky ones because we know the truth !! We are compassionate because we care about where our fellow human beings will spend eternity who do not believe and we do not want them to suffer. I pray for all the non-believers because I do not want them to live in eternal hell but it is their choice. Hopefully they will find their way some how to know that GOD is truly a loving and caring GOD. Luke and Gregg are in for a rude awakening when their time has come. Luke knows a tiny , tiny ,tiny bit of the BIBLE and is incorrect about certain meanings and is the one who has misinterpreted what the BIBLE says Luke does not understand the New Testament. Also Virgin does not mean Young woman but a woman who has no carnal knowledge of man and is chaste. I pray for all the non-believers because I do not want them to suffer and I want them to know our loving FATHER-GOD/SON/HOLY-SPIRIT. GOD created us out of love!!!! GOD Loves You all and so Do I, Wanda PS All Christians were not brought up as children to know GOD. Madeline O’Hare or Hare was one of the most well known Atheist leaders and brought Her children up to believe Her way. Her son found GOD and Madeline and Her daughter met death by being murdered. There is no death but eternal life in hell or eternal life in HEAVEN. Going to HEAVEN is not greedy , it is loving GOD . Please Luke and Gregg read the BIBLE from beginning to end before You condemn!!! BIBLE = Basic Instuction Before Leaving Earth!!!!!

  • 23. gregg m  |  May 11th, 2007 at 10:34 am

    to mike m my argument has plenty of substance. so what toyr telling me it,s o.k to sin because were human. also just because you believe in god your going to heaven. that,s the big problem. people know it,s a sin before they commit the sin, but they thinks it,s ok because they will be foregiving, that,s why christians sin so much as well as other religious groups that think the same way. also people repeat the same sins over and over and never stop sinning, because of that believe . that,s why they won,t take responabilty for there sins. i wouldn,t either if i thought that way to, sure i,am glad i don,t. what a joke religion is. but i believe in the 10 comanments, not as god,s laws but good human laws to live by, after all far as i know man wrote them.also i wish kirk cameron would make up his mind,first i,m an athiest and know i,m a christian, what a big joke he is. to reply to b.j.s.c. i guess because you don,t like what you hear or read you think it,s o.k to criticize someone on how write. is that what they teach you in a christian church shame on you. so you showed what a christian really is, a judgemental joke. also b.j.s.c. his name is kirk cameron, not kurt cameron you idiot. if your going to thank someone at least spell his name right. to LUKE your a stand up guy, keep up the good work. also who created the creator , did he create him self, is that not what dictators do create them selfs in their own image, and then try to impose that image on to the people ,and if the people don,t accept those images they are persecuted and killed and we call dictators evil not god. HEY WANDA which bible should we read, there is so many of them it,s patheitic. answer this one, why didn,t the almighty god right the bible himself, instead of leaving something so important, up to incompetent human beings. is he illilerate. i thought god could do anything. so what all christians and other religions are saying is that it,s o.k to rape, murder, and steal. but if you believe in god and ask for foregiveness you,ll go to heaven. well hell knowing that i,m convinced,i want to be a christian know,can anyone help me. ha just joking ,i,m not a hypocrite like christians. but seriously people use your brains, you belivers only believe because you live in terror within your selfs. i will write a again. gregg m.

  • 24. Rose  |  May 11th, 2007 at 12:44 pm

    Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort were wonderful. Their graciousness and good humored responses were so appreciated. Unfortuntely their gentle and disarming manner was not quite sufficient to wind Kelly down who appeared on the verge of blowing a gasket.

    Ray gave a simple presentation of how Creation, our conscience and on radical change that takes place in a person’s life upon encountering God proved His existence.

    The atheists took exception to Ray mentioning the Ten Commandments alleging that this violated the debate agreement (to prove the existence of God apart from faith and the Bible).

    However, if they would have been less quick to accuse and more apt to listen, Ray was not using the Bible to prove the existence of God, (IE. God exists because the Bible says so), he was using the consience of man to prove the existence of God, showing how the law of God (the Ten Commandments) is written on our conscience.

    The responses by the “Rational Response Squad” lacked the rationality that their name promised. Though for those who have never looked into these issues before, perhaps they would be comforted by what without further investigation might have appeared to be reasonable answers. For those who simply want to believe the atheist view and don’t wish to bother themselves with any hard thinking perhaps it may have appeared rational. ???

    But most of the responses were trite answers that have been soundly refuted on numerous previous occasions. I was hoping for something truly profound that would require some serious thought. I was dissapointed.

  • 25. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 11th, 2007 at 8:45 pm

    Gregg, My heart goes out to You in Your confusion. Mike did not condone sin and say it is okay, He said because we are not perfect we will. It is not okay to rape and murder , but rapist and murderers who truly are remorseful and find GOD and repent of their sin and ask JESUS to come into their heart and ask for forgiveness , then they will go to HEAVEN! Sorry, Kiddo but Your argument has no substance. I do not know what happened to You and My heart goes out to You for Your pain that I can see in your writings. Being a Christian is not about religion, it is about JESUS/FATHER-GOD/HOLY-SPIRIT. Kirk Cameron stated that He use to be an atheist . I moved to Iowa from California and went to the same Church as Kirk did in California. Kirk has been a Christian for several years. He went to the early service and most of the time I went to the 11AM. Gregg , You are the one who does not like what He reads or sees. I am not judging You-You are making judgements on Yourself. I do not love GOD out of fear, I love GOD because HE is and HE loves Me and He also loves You!! GOD is the beginning and the end ,Alpha and Omega. Gregg, You seem to be filled with anger. I pray that You will find comfort. Gregg, You do not know Me but I will tell you that both my parents died tragically years apart( Mother 2005)=they were Christians and My older Brother due to a Doctors mistake has been since 11 years of age at Woodward State School and Hospital . My Brother was born normal but at 6 months it was too late to undo what the Doctor missed. I do not hate the Doctor and I do not hate GOD but Love God with all My heart. We learn from tradgedy and everything there is a BLESSING. Gregg , My life has been far from perfect with alot of pain but I am joyous in the LORD. I do not know who You turn to when You are hurting but GOD takes care of Me. I pray that GOD will take away Your hurt !! GOD loves You All and so do I , Wanda PS Rose , during the discussion there was little time given for the debate. And for all of You , Kirk Cameron is soft spoken and a gentle person.

  • 26. Jerry Wright  |  May 12th, 2007 at 5:30 am

    The “Does God exist” question has been answered many times by the true servants of God and Jesus Christ.
    For example, Herbert W. Armstrong wrote a booklet that was first published back in 1957, then again in 60, 70 and 71. The booklet was free for the asking and had the title “Does God Exist”, and in it proof was given both from a scientific prospective as well as from plain common sense, besides creation itself.
    Scripture reveals in PSALM 14:1 & 53:1 that it is only the FOOL who says that there is no God! But those that are wrapped up in the “Christianity” even, of this secular world today, do not know the true God, but in stead look to the god of this world! (2 Cor.4:3-4) God is Spiritually discerned and those who truly do worship him do so in the Spirit and Truth. (John 4:23-24) They know with out any doubt that God exist’s and always has, thus the title EVERLASTING GOD, or everliving one. They also know that the bible does not teach going to heaven, the secret rapture, the immortality of the soul or that God is a trinity.
    Jesus Christ will return to this earth and set up the KINGDOM of GOD and probably in the life time of those who are reading this, unless you are already on your death bed. God speed the day! No ONE who does not know God would have much real success at proving His existence to the closed minded person who does not want the truth.

  • 27. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 12th, 2007 at 10:44 am

    Scientist use to be more in the Atheist mind set and now are more Christian because of Scientific research!! I do not go though by scientist , I go by faith in GOD and by GOD and what the BIBLE says. There are different “religious sects” that have written their own take on the BIBLE. The Mormans and the Jehovah’s Witness are two . There is only one true BIBLE written by GOD By Men of faith that GOD has spoken to such as Paul the disciple who was one of the strongest believers. Gregg, and others religion is man made to worship the one and only GOD or false gods. I can see where You could get confused. I go to Church to praise GOD and worship GOD=The TRINITY/FATHER-GOD/SON/HOLY-SPIRIT. I have read the BIBLE front to back and I read everyday and it does speak of the believer going to HEAVEN!!! Mathew 6:20-21 But lay for Yourselves treasures( not secular such as gems ect.. but of GODS Love ) in HEAVEN, where neither moth nor rust corrupt, and where thieves break through nor steal. 6:21For where Your treasure is , there will Your heart be also. John 14:2 In MY FATHER’S house are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told You. I I go to prepare a place for You. Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are suject to you; but rather jejoice, because your names are written in HEAVEN. Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in HEAVENLY places in CHRIST JESUS. These are not my words but GODS words. Again the BIBLE is Basic Instructions Before leaving earth. Those who are looking for a Church to go to, go to as many as it takes and find a Church who speaks about JESUS. JESUS is most important. Remember HE gave His life for us out of Love !!!!!! GOD loves You all and so do I, Wanda

  • 28. The Thinker  |  May 12th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    Cry me a river!
    We know that your superstition just tries to control. Look at other religion’s. Their gods have made them seem so imposible and to ‘hateful’ to convert.
    We have the answer if you would just behold reason.

  • 29. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    Why is it that some People always revert to the term supersition when they really cannot add to the subject and or have to use the word hate in speaking of faiths or their use of religion and add the word hate? Truly some so called thinking People only have a vacuum for a mind. GOD is real , GOD is love and there is only one true GOD. Some pray to statues which have eyes but they see not, ears but they hear not and mouths which they speak not. In the end these statues will crumble but GOD/JESUS /HOLY-Spirit will stand and live forever. Love, Wanda

  • 30. gregg m  |  May 13th, 2007 at 11:28 am

    wanda, first i,m not confusied. i,m very clear on my believes, second please read what i wrote carefully, because i,m not angry, if it seems that way it,s because i,m tired of people like you who say i feel sorry for you, just because i don,t believe. another thing nothing has happened to me. i live a good life, no pain and suffering or abuse, like you would like think, it must make it easier to believe that. instead of why he dosen,t believe in god like me,or thats what they brain wash with. people who are so called atheist have been hurt or had a bad life, not true. i,m very sorry for your pain you,ve suffered. also i,m not a kid or kiddo, i,m 44 years old. i,m sucessful in bussiness and in having a loving relationship with my wife. do you have these things, if not your letting your religioun hold you back, again i,m sorry for you. but the way you speak it,s sounds like you comdemn people for not being a christian, that,s what makes me upset. because i don,t condemn you for being a christian and certainly would not hurt you or anyone for being one, i,m a passive person and don,t believe in violance. but history has proven that like you have hurt and killed people like me. i urge to read your history. i,m a very happy person and completely content with my life, are you. i go out of my way to help people and family without anything in return except the good feeling it leaves me in my heart. nothing has happened to me tragically, but thank you for asking.but i bet you turn to god after all your painful events in your life, your so consumed with your believes and grief that your blinded by them, again i.m sorry for you. one time i watched ministry show and the minister himself does not believe that child murders and rapist do not go to your so called heaven no matter what they say or do, even if they ask forgivness. so you tell me are you right or is the minister who studied religioun, the right one. like i said people like you will repeat the same sins over and over you think you will always be forgiven. i,ll say it again that is what is wrong with the world. instead of preaching the word of god preach the word of peace, and not just preaching the word of peace but actualy doing something about it. you see wanda i think if all the religious people and non religious people would take half of the effort they put into believeing or not believeing in god we could stop the wars! don,t you, and is that not what is really important,would you not like to see peace on earth. after all it,s not the churchs or the goverments that fight and die in these wars it,s the people like you and me that die in these wars. we the people if we all join together have the greatist power. i have traveled all over the world and met different people and cultures and found that the people are the same everywhere like you and me. they just want peace and to be able to provide a good life for them and their familys, is that not what you want, is that not what everybody wants, i do. but what i have learned from all the different people i,ve talk to around the world is that religioun and goverments who have been sleeping in the same bed together so to speak get in the way, these to groups cause hate and anger among the people, which then causes war and killing among the people again another reason i get upset or angry. i would not kill any one because of what they believe in, because i believe it,s wrong. i be willing to believe your god also thinks that. remember the ten commandents, THOU SHALL NOT KILL! for as i know that means for any REASON! i,m afraid for me and my family because of yours and other religiouns past. AGAIN READ YOUR HISTORY! HISTORY PROVES THE FACTS NOT THE MYTH AND HISTORY REPEATS IT,S SELF. wanda i,m guessing that your a very lonely person who does not have a sigificant other to love you, but maybe your god, and your not able to feel his arms around you because he,s not phyiscal being, i hope you will one day and if i,m wrong i apologize. i,m a good human being and because i don,t believe in god like you do you think i,m not a good person or , i,ve been hurt im my life or i,m just an angry person. it must be easier for you to think that then to know the truth,be you could,nt be more wrong about me so please don,t judge me because i would never do that to you or anybody. apparently thats what christians and your religioun has taught you because you,ve could,nt have learned that anywhere else, and thats very sad. so please don,t hurt or kill me or my family for not believeing in your god or in the name of your god. DO NOT PERSECUTE US! remember no one has the right to hurt or kill anyone FOR ANY REASON ESPECIALLYIN THE NAME OF GOD OR RELIGIOUN THATS WORST OF ALL! love your neighbor no matter if they believe or don,t believe remember we as people only have each other. i will write again gregg m.

  • 31. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 13th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    Dear Gregg, I did not condemn You nor do I think I said I felt sorry for You. I am not putting You down now but the reason I thought You were angry is because You probably type fast so You mispell which makes Me think it is from frustration. I did not kill nor real Christians kill Atheist. There are People that did kill in the name of GOD.That is what is going on in Iraq, killing in the name of Allah. Allah was not into murder. I have frinds that are Iranian, an Ex-boyfriend that I discovered after we broke up that He was an Atheist and not Jewish like His family. I have Frineds that are into Buddhism and yes I do worry where they will spend eternity because I care. What do You think of our Soldiers killing. They do it to defend and protect others. They are not all Christians=some are Atheist and other beliefs. I wish You and Your wife great Happiness. By-the way, it is the Christians that are being persecuted and it says in the BIBLE if You come to GOD truly repent and be remorseful and ask forgivness and You believe You will enter into HEAVEN. Gregg , I am a very fortunate person and have alot of friends. I am Blessed. I have had several proposals in My life and did not marry because of an abusive boyfriend and wanted to be there for My Mother because of what she suffered through My Fathers suffering. I have gone through probably more than most People , but then again there are those who have gone through more than Me . GOD was always there for Me with My friends and Family. To the Person that described themselves as a Thinker , please forgive Me for using the word vacuum as I did. It was wrong of Me. I sincerely apologize. PS I am human and again only GOD/JESUS is perfect. No Human is perfect !! Love to You all, Wanda

  • 32. The Thinker  |  May 13th, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    Wqanda,
    Do you have any other word to dubstitute for superstiiction?
    Do yoiu think (how-ever small) insults can ddeepen your teasure in this heaven?
    You cant answer with reason? All we hear about is that your faith thinks it can prove a god.
    Do you have faith in Nosterdomis? I want to know your reasoning, not your flighty response.

  • 33. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 13th, 2007 at 7:37 pm

    Dear Thinker, if You read the letter before this You will see an apology . No, I do not believe in Nostradamus and if You look up recent history You will see the per centage that He was wrong and I do not believe in fortune tellers either. The BIBLE states that there will be false prophets and preachers. GOD is the one that I believe in. It is Your choice if You do not want to. I am starting to wonder if You and Gregg are one and the same by your spelling using a different AKA. They say that if a Woman were to President there would be less Wars and I agree because You and Gregg do not want to discuss and You are the ones making remarks that condemn . I hope You had a great day and I wish You both a happy week ahead. GOD loves You all and so do I , Wanda Ps I am not a fighter, I am a nurturer and I care about others .

  • 34. Mohd Fairaz Khan  |  May 13th, 2007 at 10:47 pm

    I believe in God & creation the Bible says that God created the world in 6 day I believe that it is true. I also believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God & what ever he says in his words the Bible as true . Their was a time when I did not believe in him I did not believe in creation . One day I asked Jesus Christ if he was God than to prove himself , He came to me showed himself alive sitting in heaven my life is never the same again just as the Bible says that those who believe in Jesus Christ shall lay hands on the sick the sick will get healed I have seen it happen in my life many times I have prayed for the sick in the name of Jesus the sick got healed
    if Jesus was not God than how could this happen.

  • 35. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 13th, 2007 at 11:14 pm

    Dear Brother in CHRIST Mohd Fairz Khan , I loved your letter and JESUS has definitely spoken to your heart. You asked HIM to reveal HIMSELF and He did. GOD BLESS You and Your family , Your Sister-in-CHRIST, Wanda Keep strong in the faith.

  • 36. The Thinker  |  May 14th, 2007 at 12:15 pm

    You must believe in a talking snake and the poof theory to. Is love so grand that you are punished with death?

  • 37. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 14th, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    Mr Thinker where is Your heart. You think that You are so profound , stop looking to judge others. I will not die but transition to HEAVEN, where I will have eternal life, where are You spending eternal life ? . You sound so hateful, someone really must have hurt You. I have a forgiving heart so I guess i am the BLESSED one. You may not want Me to pray for You but I do. Love to All, Wanda

  • 38. The Thinker  |  May 14th, 2007 at 5:54 pm

    Champain wishes and cavear dreams, with this heaven.
    Why do you call wolf but I am not going to run to your aid. It might sound hateeful but you need to learn reality.
    And my heart is were it should be and not bleeding foir that illness, anymore.

  • 39. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 14th, 2007 at 8:28 pm

    I know what is real and someday You will fear it unless You face it and accept it !! PS It is Champagne and caviar and that has nothing to do with HEAVEN. I do not know what Your illness is but only GOD can heal it!!! Also I do not need Your aid only JESUS!! I ‘m into what is real and not what the secular world has to offer and things and stuff do not matter to Me . I am not into material things. I love what GOD has given with the Animals, flowers, birds and the beauty of the earth to see ! I love GODS creatures and People and have a caring heart not a cold one. Thank You LORD JESUS/FATHER-GOD/HOLY SPIRIT for all Your BLESSINGS , Wanda

  • 40. The Thinker  |  May 15th, 2007 at 9:57 am

    You are sick, in need of mental help. Then yoiu stop answering with so much anger that I sense in your writting.
    I know you are a false profit by thyanking what you are told and what the propaganda you see on televisionh.

  • 41. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 15th, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    What You say about Me is what is really Your probelm and You are speaking of Yourself. I am not the one filled with anger and hate!! Sorry but You are and in need of some kind of anger management. You are filled with such mean spirit. You are the pot as they say calling the kettle black!! I have only been nice to You. I guess You are not use to that by Your behavior that shows in Your writing. I only wish you happiness . I do not care what You think of Me because JESUS did not care what others thought of HIM. JESUS was all about love and loving thy neighbor and that is what I am about and am following HIM. The world is our Neighbor. Nothing in My writing shows mental anguish such as Yours. I had several deaths and tragedies and have learned fom them and there is a BLESSING in the worse case scenario. Have a great evening , non-matter-what. PS I go by what the BIBLE says. Maybe You should watch less TV. If that makes You happy then You can judge Me all You want , I only wish You the best!

  • 42. The Thinker  |  May 15th, 2007 at 6:49 pm

    Your cliamingt to be a ghost or one of those, feel sorry for me becauyse I lived what others have. Like we are cyborgs. What a life of terment you have by not being free.

  • 43. gregg m  |  May 16th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    wanda in your paragraph on may 13 th 2:45 pm you mispelled the word friends twice. you spelled it frinds and frineds, your spelling sucks, and i believe the thinker is mocking you purposely mispelling words because that,s all you can say to us. also he,s right all you talk about is your faith, your faith has no substance. you don,t about any real events or crises in the world, you must be ignorant. you don,t even care about what,s really going on in the world because you have your head up faith,s butt. pull your head out and really look what,s going on around you. wanda always says who doesn,t believe in her god has been hurt or suffered somehow, when really she,s the one that has been hurt. your god hates you wanda , why what did you do wrong in your life. also to clairafiy the thinker and gregg m are not the same people, wanda is just being her stupid self again. no one loves wanda. wanda i hope your not a child molester, i think you must be a sick person. people like wanda and christians and other dumb believers in god make me sick to my stomach. wanda stay off the computer until you have something inteligent to say, which will be never, so go away wanda ,and let inteligent people talk about real issues and not your ridiculous faith. so god created adam and eve you believe and been taught were the first humans. then i guess adam and eve had a son and daughter and they had sex together to populate the world, that,s incest,gross, one of god,s BIG MISTAKES! wanda are you an incest baby, i bet you are is that why god hates you. wanda please do me a favor and shut up your mouth, i,m tired of smelling the crapt that keeps coming out of it. SHUT UP! you don,t care about the people or the world, only your stupid faith. you only attack people like me and the thinker and luke. you debate nothing on real issues of the world and what,s wrong with it. you and the christians are what,s wrong with it. you freak! i will no longer write or respond to this debate as long as WANDA IS ON THIS WEB SITE! she is a waste of my precious time to have to reply to her ingoranant comments. i have better things in life to do. get a life you cow. I,M GONE GREGG M.

  • 44. The Thinker  |  May 16th, 2007 at 7:13 pm

    ThankYou Gregg M. But insults cant make a sick person see.

  • 45. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 16th, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    Dear Gregg, I did misspell friends, but maybe You have it backward, maybe I was trying to show the Thinker because He misspells all the time and maybe He needs to be more compassionate to have friends. I feel sorry for You both and You can say nasty things all You want because that shows the empty soul and heart You both have. I still believe that You and the Thinker are one and the same. I also have told You , You misspell by saying the way You write comes from anger. Be hateful all You want , GOD is on My side because I know He is real and He loves Me and You are lost and now I am starting to pity Your behavior. Grow Up and be a Man!!! GOD loves You too!! It is a shame You do not realize!! You will be sorry when Your time has come if You do not acknowledge the LORD!!! PS I probably have done more for charity in one day then You have done in a lifetime . You and the Thinker as I said may be one and the same. You are both self involved and do not care for others. It definitely shows in Your writing and wording!! Good luck in life. With love and hoping You will find kindness in Your soul. Wanda

  • 46. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 16th, 2007 at 10:11 pm

    PS Gregg, You’d better look at all of Your letters because of Your misspelling . I am a good and kind and loving person and i have letters from jobs and friends to back it up, but I do not need to pove to You. The only reason I wrote on this blog was because I care where People go when they die. I pray for everyone feel others pain and I am talking about complete strangers. I do not like anyone to hurt and that includes you. Where is Your heart? The terrible things You have said to Me are probably Your guilt of what You have done. You are the sick one to accuse Me of anything and to make up such abominable things. I will certainly be praying for You. I pray for everyone anyway. If You sincerely ask GOD for forgiveness and repent when You realize that He is real, GOD will forgive You. I really feel sorry for You that someone has hurt You so much that you strike out with such vileness and vilify caring People. Love Wanda

  • 47. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 16th, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Dear Gregg, the devil seems to be spewing words from Your mouth. You are the one that should stay off of the computer if You cannot speak with a clean mouth and heart. If anyone has a problem it is certainly You and You should seek some kind of emotional and mental help . All You know is how to attack good People. Do You know what is going on in the world?????? I read everyday and keep up with current events so do not question Me. To all of the Atheist on this site I am not saying You are not nice People because being an Atheist does not mean You are not nice, and I am not categorizing You with Gregg so i hope You understand. Gregg has a vendetta against anyone who does not think the way He does. I care about everyone no-matter-what their beliefs are and just worry where they will spend eternity . Gregg is even in my prayers . Gregg, does not know what the meaning of love thy neighbor as thy self!! I grew up with very moral upbring Gregg, so what is Your Problem?? You do not know Me and I have not said anything terrible. I Love The LORD and Your evil tongue will not change that!!! You Are An Angry Man!!! What has happened to cause You to be so full of Hate?????? I think You just want and need attention by the way You write!! With a loving heart , Wanda

  • 48. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 16th, 2007 at 11:53 pm

    Dear BJS.C. Who wrote on May 10th @ 6:41, Your letter was so well written and to the point and explained forthright about GOD and the Ten commandments. You truly know GOD and understand that Priest and Pastors that do heinous things are false ministers and are not Men of GOD. When Christians backslide , GOD will forgive them if they truly repent. No Human is perfect , only JESUS is perfect. Thank You for such a wonderful letter that you wrote. GOD BLESS You and keep being a testamony for GOD. Love, Your Sister-in-CHRIST Wanda

  • 49. The Thinker  |  May 17th, 2007 at 8:03 am

    You worship jesus as if he was perfect? Well I say Jesus was a sinner. Prof. he had to ware cloths. Putting socialo ‘morals’ aboove god. You say that your not materialistic, but can wer meet at a nudist camp?
    ps, I neever cliamed I was perfect so your cyborg wishes on my spelling has nothing to do with your superstition. You just feel sorry for yourself because noww you are desparet.

  • 50. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 17th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    The word is desperate, which I am not but maybe You? Prof should be proof. Ware should be wear when it comes to clothing. Claimed is the correct way to spell the word (not cliamed) . JESUS is perfect and JESUS is the TRINITY/GOD-the -FATHER/SON/HOLY-SPIRIT. After the first sin People did not run around naked!! PS Thinker does not fit You since You do not think before You spell or speak . Good luck , You are going to need it for where You are headed unless You see the light!!!!!

  • 51. The Thinker  |  May 17th, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    Threats from a maniac dont bother me. Besides how would You know what I need?
    If you lived before as you ((claim)) then why not the ‘heaven’ you so ((claim)) is there? In a way that you shouldn’t die.
    You are young so what wwould you know if you wasn’t told?
    Get off your high horse to see reality as it is.

  • 52. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 17th, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    Thinker, what do You mean by threats? I am not threatening You because I speak of eternal life in HEAVEN. I cannot stand the thought of anyone going to hell. I am not maniac because I speak loving everyone as GOD wants us all to do. We are all neighbors in this world. There is no reincarnation . We only live one life then we either transition to Heaven or the other place. I am not on a high horse and non of us are perfect. As I have said before only JESUS was perfect and He died for our salvation. JESUS gave HIS life for us out of love. I wish You happiness, that’s all . Wanda

  • 53. The Thinker  |  May 18th, 2007 at 3:09 am

    Thev why iun your in your commeny, ‘I have died so many times’. Was you just looking for sypathy?

  • 54. The Thinker  |  May 18th, 2007 at 7:36 am

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  • 55. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 18th, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    Dear Thinker, i never said that i have died so many times, i said i have had so many deaths in My life in the last two years meaning seven People in My life that meant alot to Me. My Aunt Lena , My Mother ( she meant the world to Me under GOD) , then My GOD-Father , then a Friend I have know since I was three or four all died in 2005, and then in March of 2006 an Aunt/Mother like figure died in California and a dear older Friend who was like an Uncle died of cancer and then this year My Mothers oldest sister died . GOD kept Me strong so I can always be there for others . These dear People died an earthly death but transitioned to eternal life . I was so BLESSED to have all these wonderful People in my life. We all have to say good-bye until we meet again. Life is life. I wish you and your family a beautiful weekend, Sincerely Wanda

  • 56. The Thinker  |  May 19th, 2007 at 9:48 am

    What religion tries to do is gather or give you a sypathetic heart. Then you try to make me feel sypathy for you. We all have the samne choices, and no big sky daddy (talk about disfuction) is going to save us.
    Sympathy don’t win the game. But you keep hitting you head aginsst the wall and expect a result other than what is nomal.
    You try to knock your self out but sstill have the pain of sympathy. So we are punished by emotions that you think we should think. Denial and sympathy never solves anything true.

    t

  • 57. The Thinker  |  May 20th, 2007 at 10:00 am

    Oh I get it, your a self apoibted athorrity.

  • 58. Wanda IF Maire' Waterloo, Iowa  |  May 20th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    Dear Mr Thinker, You asked Me to comment on Your May 18th blog. I was only replying to Your question about where You thought I said I died seven times when in reality seven dear People close to Me had died. There is no dysfunction in death. Where do you come up with this stuff about self appointed authority ?? What I said and it was not about sympathy it was about strength that GOD gave Me to be more helpful to others through life experiences ! You are the one that seems to be hitting their head against a wall. You twist everything whether on purpose or by accident. You can think however You want too. That is what is great about this Country. Our Freedoms . I wish You and Your Family a great and happy week ahead. Sincerely Wanda PS I am into caring about others, not into fighting. Debating is not about fighting.

  • 59. Maureen  |  May 21st, 2007 at 12:21 am

    Wow this debate is heated.
    No matter what we do it is about what we believe.
    Yes Atheism is a belief.
    A belief that there is No God that we should be submitted to.
    If you believe atheism you will side with the atheists and visa versa.
    Kelly said that if when she died and there is a God then she would rather go to hell that to go to Heaven with a Tyranical God…so…. does she think the devil will be better??
    Ray said that God is Just and His judgements are just….If God did create us…couldn’t He do anything He wants with Us???
    I mean If I made a clay pot…and I didn’t like it for ANY reason, I could smash it? right? I made it.
    That’s my thoughts on it.
    Maureen

  • 60. The Thinker  |  May 21st, 2007 at 6:48 am

    I’m not fighting, I pointed out the dysfuction that your god shows. And you don’t like it. Is it a sin then?

  • 61. The Thinker  |  May 21st, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    I wwill be gone the nezt few days. So have fun.

  • 62. Maureen  |  May 21st, 2007 at 9:40 pm

    God is God. IF…If He Created us the trees the universe, etc…It doesn’t matter what we like. Where is the dysfuction?
    The dysfuction must be us.
    If there is NO God, Then how did we get here? because I really have a Hard time believing in evolution. to Me and my very small mind (I will be the FIRST to admitt that I am Not a great thinker, just an average woman) I just can’t believe that my brain, and all my emotions, and ability to think and love happened by chance. That our planet just so happened to be in the perfect place, not only is our small solar system but in our small universe that we are able to survive, live, breathe, think. The thought is unfathomable.
    Maureen

  • 63. The Thinker  |  May 23rd, 2007 at 6:45 pm

    WITH ALL THE CAOS IN OUR UNIVERSE, LIFE HAD TO HAPPEN SOMEWHERE,so why not let go of your believe in magic and look at reality.
    A child knows no better than what its taught. Now woould you teach that child to rape his daughter? And tell us its a child from god? Or you want it to happen to you?
    Of corse not, thats where sanity steps in.
    Afterall, life should be sane.
    Are you so unruly that you can only control yourself with a fear?

  • 64. Maureen  |  May 24th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    I had many fears before I was a Christian, and I did many things. No one taught me to steal, I did it. No one taught me to have sex with as many men as I wanted, I did it. No one taught me to murder, I did it. I lived in fear of death. I no longer have fear. With all the CHAOS that is in the universe, it would be impossible that life could happen. Something intelligent HAD to have made all this. Like I said before…this is a Belief, as yours in a Belief, I know you won’t change my mind and I am pretty sure I won’t change yours.
    And no, I am no longer unruly,
    but I was.

  • 65. Maureen  |  May 24th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    oh, I forgot, REAL children of God do not rape their daughters. Only childrn of satan.

  • 66. The Thinker  |  May 25th, 2007 at 7:01 am

    ding. ding, ding

  • 67. The Thinker  |  May 25th, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    You want me to be a push-over. There IS a mental disease you have. Becase You might be to old dont mean somebody else will not take your place. But you continue with putting the same restictions that you had, and see where it put you

  • 68. Maureen  |  May 27th, 2007 at 6:03 am

    Push-Over?? I don’t want you to be anything…
    Mental diesease??? whatever.
    Old? probably the same age as your mom.
    Take my place doing what?? Sin? Everyone sins.
    So no one takes “my place” Everyone has their place here.
    As for restrictions… You will never understand the bondage I WAS in… You will just never understand. I am a much better person now. An asset to society.

    If people don’t believe there is an afterlife, and that there will be no punishment for what they do in this life, they will do whatever they like no matter who it hurts.

    There must be Truth. One of us is right and one of us is wrong. If I’m right. I weep for you. If your right. it won’t matter for I will just stop existing.

  • 69. The Thinker  |  May 27th, 2007 at 8:29 am

    When I wrote ‘ding, ding, ding’ you seem not toi be able to grap the idea that your god thing raped Mary.
    As for the chaos that you imply if there was no after-life, are we not sane enough that life makes a society? Punishment is what we decide, not some ghost.

  • 70. Maureen  |  May 27th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    No, of course I never thought that God “raped” Mary. Wow, that is the first time I’ve ever heard anyone said that…
    Anyway, God made us so of course He can have Mary become pregnant without intercourse. Mary was a Virgin when Jesus was born. The basis of my belief are 4 things.
    God Created the heavens and the earth.
    Jesus was born of a Virgin.
    Jesus died and was buried.
    Jesus rose from the dead.

  • 71. The Thinker  |  May 27th, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    It dont matter who it is, Rape is RAPE.
    Look, this god thing supposibly got Mary pergnat. Or are you just being subserviat to men by believing in this jesus?

  • 72. Maureen  |  May 28th, 2007 at 7:02 am

    There was no intercourse so there was no rape.
    Everyone has to serve someone. And I serve God.
    Yes the Bible was written by men, over 40 different men of God, but as I live….and here goes the “crazy” part…. I know God is, because He supernaturally has shown me who He is.
    I never blindly listen to what any man says…did that for years, I check EVERYthing through the Bible. and prayer.
    Since God is Supernatural He will make sure only truth will be in the Bible, henceforth I follow Him not man.

  • 73. The Thinker  |  May 28th, 2007 at 7:46 am

    You say god is a man.
    So how can you fallow a ghost when men tell you what to believe. You know its crazy but you still want to fallow. That makes you just as ‘evil’ as all those that preach the same ghost storie over and over. Like they keep us banging our head agianst a table just to believe a life without death, so we are keap frozen.
    Just look at all the years that religion has had, and still we have the same result. I ask ‘Why do you have to die before this heaven’. Thats just a promiss to not only keep people ‘out of their hair’ but also to slow or even stop progression.
    As if fear can stop our future. As if life is predistin.

  • 74. Maureen  |  May 29th, 2007 at 5:41 am

    I don’t follow a ghost, I follow a spirit. I don’t have a religion I have a relationship. Look all the years Man has lived and he keeps repeating the same horrors we have done since sin was brought in the world.
    We have to die because of sin. We all have it.
    Some will not die, When Jesus says “It is ENOUGH!!”
    He will come back and take the “faithful”
    Man destroys, our future is bleak because of man.
    Religion is Mans, I don’t follow religion, I hate it.
    I follow God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. I believe in Him, not any man.

  • 75. The Thinker  |  May 29th, 2007 at 7:02 am

    I will attempt my diagnosis of you. You just felt sorry for yourself and religion gave you the symphy that you craved. If men or women run it, you was made to feel shame from ‘civilization’ that you are in.
    Sprite or ghost, whatever. I understand that but the subject is not depending upon a ghost (sprite for deeper illusion) to live.
    If thats not it, god is your problem.

  • 76. Maureen  |  May 29th, 2007 at 9:35 am

    Man is the problem, Jesus is the answer.

    your “psyco-babble” is just that babble.

  • 77. The Thinker  |  May 29th, 2007 at 6:41 pm

    Denial stage is what your in.
    I’m not claiming to be able to fix you. Just try reality or give it a chance.

  • 78. Maureen  |  May 29th, 2007 at 7:51 pm

    what makes you so sure that YOU are in reality.
    We can go back and forth all you want.
    As I said before, I KNOW what I believe. Are you so sure of your faith?
    I don’t need fixing. I have been fixed.

  • 79. The Thinker  |  May 30th, 2007 at 8:12 am

    A person can have faith. but are you to prove zues. hercules or odin and thor is not more real than your god of gossip and savior of emty promisses?
    Say you see a person that looks around 30 but is actully 60. Is 30 what you know?
    Illusion is seeming to take you when theres nothing else.

  • 80. Maureen  |  May 30th, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    Where do you get your information?
    are you just grasping at straws to try to prove your point?
    What illusion?
    Gossip?
    Empty promises?

    Look around what do you see. I World of beauty, color, smells, sounds. It didn’t come from nothing. Look in a mirror what do you see, a human body so complicated It cannot be duplicated. Creation happens everytime a child is concevied, and that child is unique in his/her own way. It doesn’t come from nothing.

  • 81. The Thinker  |  May 31st, 2007 at 7:36 am

    Are you tring to tell me that your another person? If any man or woman can comunicate with perfectio. Then wouldn’t that mean we couold never die. Take aboutt people that dont know sanity. You give youirself to this god and theres nothing left of you. What a blah world that would be. Or should we call it space?

  • 82. The Thinker  |  June 1st, 2007 at 8:29 am

    perfection. Talk about

  • 83. The Thinker  |  June 1st, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    I agree that cration didnt come from nothing. So a god was created top police stupid people. But it fails to give us will when religion censors for the sorrow that the crook perpatrats. It gives the crook freedom by thinking its law to forgive. In other words ‘a slap on the wrist. Innocents is sentenced to have more shame.
    Thats proof enough that the ‘holy bible’ is wrong.
    How could anybody be perfect if they die?

  • 84. Anonymous  |  June 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 am

    Dear Sis-in-CHRIST Maureen, You know JESUS and You know that You are saved . GOD is the TRINITY=FATHER/SON/HOLY-SPIRIT. The Thinker is an Atheist and He just wants to argue and do name calling. Atheist can be nice People , but they are lost because they do not know the LORD. In this day and age more than any other time Scientist are proving GOD is real because HE is.!! I know HE is without the Scientist because of faith and of experiences . WE are lucky and have loving hearts and sadly the Thinker has a hardened heart and is not ready to believe. Someday He will realize that GOD is real.Hopefully that is before he dies. I love everyone and do not want to think of anyone ending up in hell. They will go to hell if they do not repent of their sins and believe in JESUS. JESUS is GOD in the flesh and will come again , maybe even today!! GOD BLESS all, Love Wanda

  • 85. The Thinker  |  June 2nd, 2007 at 9:34 pm

    why does this god thing create doubt? This ggod thing makes us gto through punisment to get closer oir to test the gullibility of people that have life Now would you think this father figure would make a hell for terrorist to use and force ‘faith’ or be punished farther? Look at the dictorship.
    Wanda implies that atheist are insane jerks, and wants to fight by calling names.
    Well as you have read, she is the one puts believe in what disagrees with her. Like what religion does to each other. Propaganda’ if you will.

  • 86. herbiebeans  |  June 3rd, 2007 at 9:51 pm

    How the hell do christians represent the side that believes in god? How many religions exist in America? Three hundred, i think. The closing of the American mind by these backwards facing fear-mongers will be our undoing

  • 87. Wesley  |  July 5th, 2007 at 11:58 am

    You can believe whatever you want to believe. I believe that there is a GOD that created everything and Jesus died for my sins to give me a chance to get to Heaven.

    Fortunately a lot of people dont’ believe that way so that will make Heaven an even more pleasurable experience without them there.

  • 88. sherry  |  July 5th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    why all the fuss?? no matter what you say they won’t belive you. i was once an atheist, then i did alot of research and found out they were wrong. its really sad cause i can understand where they are coming from, i felt the same once. but now i found the truth and the truth has set me free. just pray for them, specially greg m. i really like him. maybe if you pray hard enoughsomething will happen in his life and he too will change. nothing is impossable, but to keep argueing will only make them hate more.

  • 89. The Thinker  |  July 16th, 2007 at 6:38 pm

    If you know what naturalist, professionals and toop-free countries knew. I feeel that you wouldnt be so dramatic and gullible as you seem.

  • 90. The Thinker  |  July 16th, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    If you know what naturalist, professionals and toop-free countries knew. I feeel that you wouldnt be so dramatic and gullible as you seem.

  • 91. The Thinker  |  July 17th, 2007 at 9:37 am

    top-free, gullable

  • 92. Sujanto David albert  |  October 6th, 2007 at 7:23 pm

    I verry Thanks to God jesus for bring me a preacher, and when he tell me about Salvation in Christ Jesus, and he explain to me God Himself, who we are, why we must believe Him, and why He died on the Cross, and they say Jesus up to heaven and will come againts and He will take us together live in heaven, and now His Holly spirit live with me! I can feel it, in His presence! Yes, in the formaly I am not Christian, but now was Save! Thanks God in Ghrist Jesus!

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