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	<title>Comments on: Why iPhone is not &#8216;the next iPod&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-396408</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This analysis is based on technical ignorance of wireless carrier systems. Respondents #2 and #8 have it absolutely right: there are absolutely technical reasons why the phone could not work on any carrier whatsoever. Not portably, at any rate (especially since, at this point, there are carrier-side changes that have to be made to accommodate "visual voicemail"), at least in the U.S. In countries where users are expected to pay full price for a handset, you can typically take your handset from provider to provider as you get a better deal from providers. As long as North American users expect to pay $50 for a crackberry, there is no inherent handset portability even among compatible networks (phone locking). (I used to work for a US cellular carrier that was ultimately absorbed into AT&#38;T Wireless.)

Mr Johnson is similarly ignorant of modern email systems, by suggesting that the undocumented, proprietary (ActiveSync) Exchange protocol is inherently more secure than standards-based IMAP email systems. This is certainly NOT the case. Modern IMAP and POP servers are configurable for use over SSL tunnels (GMail, for example, uses POP over SSL; this is more secure than Exchange by default.) SOX compliance does not prohibit IMAP access; SOX could be met simply by putting IMAP access behind the firewall (requiring a VPN tunnel) or making it IMAP+SSL. And yes, the iPhone speaks IMAP+SSL and POP+SSL (as well as SMTP+SSL so that your *outgoing* messages are secure, too).

I'm not planning on buying an iPhone (it doesn't have a feature that I need in a phone, so this may be a temporary rejection) when it becomes available in Canada (where I now reside), but the reasons provided are, by and large, bogus and ill-informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This analysis is based on technical ignorance of wireless carrier systems. Respondents #2 and #8 have it absolutely right: there are absolutely technical reasons why the phone could not work on any carrier whatsoever. Not portably, at any rate (especially since, at this point, there are carrier-side changes that have to be made to accommodate &#8220;visual voicemail&#8221;), at least in the U.S. In countries where users are expected to pay full price for a handset, you can typically take your handset from provider to provider as you get a better deal from providers. As long as North American users expect to pay $50 for a crackberry, there is no inherent handset portability even among compatible networks (phone locking). (I used to work for a US cellular carrier that was ultimately absorbed into AT&amp;T Wireless.)</p>
<p>Mr Johnson is similarly ignorant of modern email systems, by suggesting that the undocumented, proprietary (ActiveSync) Exchange protocol is inherently more secure than standards-based IMAP email systems. This is certainly NOT the case. Modern IMAP and POP servers are configurable for use over SSL tunnels (GMail, for example, uses POP over SSL; this is more secure than Exchange by default.) SOX compliance does not prohibit IMAP access; SOX could be met simply by putting IMAP access behind the firewall (requiring a VPN tunnel) or making it IMAP+SSL. And yes, the iPhone speaks IMAP+SSL and POP+SSL (as well as SMTP+SSL so that your *outgoing* messages are secure, too).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not planning on buying an iPhone (it doesn&#8217;t have a feature that I need in a phone, so this may be a temporary rejection) when it becomes available in Canada (where I now reside), but the reasons provided are, by and large, bogus and ill-informed.</p>
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		<title>By: discreet_chaos</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-391207</link>
		<dc:creator>discreet_chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David - The iTunes software downloaded with a QuickTime update, but I bailed during the setup because it was asking me too many questions about my musical tastes, so I thought it sounded too much like spyware for me to have it for no reason.

Otherwise, I've bought some songs from Yahoo! and Walmart to burn for my kids and my wife has taken it upon herself to fill-out our physical CD collection. As for myself, I generally turn-on the local NPR affiliate or Clear Channel's "Smooth Jazz" in the car and when I'm at home, I generally listen to theclassicalstation[dot]org, something from my "dial" which I've built from the site that I've recoded my name to link, or I used to keep Pipeline in a corner of the screen before they shutdown.

I guess when you get old and live in a place without good radio, your musical choices could easily become a source for derision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David - The iTunes software downloaded with a QuickTime update, but I bailed during the setup because it was asking me too many questions about my musical tastes, so I thought it sounded too much like spyware for me to have it for no reason.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I&#8217;ve bought some songs from Yahoo! and Walmart to burn for my kids and my wife has taken it upon herself to fill-out our physical CD collection. As for myself, I generally turn-on the local NPR affiliate or Clear Channel&#8217;s &#8220;Smooth Jazz&#8221; in the car and when I&#8217;m at home, I generally listen to theclassicalstation[dot]org, something from my &#8220;dial&#8221; which I&#8217;ve built from the site that I&#8217;ve recoded my name to link, or I used to keep Pipeline in a corner of the screen before they shutdown.</p>
<p>I guess when you get old and live in a place without good radio, your musical choices could easily become a source for derision.</p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-391118</link>
		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@discreet_chaos: ipods play mp3s, and you can import into iTunes as mp3 so content can be platform agnostic. since i use linux, mac and windows interchangably, i got a cowon iaudio x5 (which did video before the ipod did) and use it with iTunes or anything else i want. 

as for everyone else, i just remembered an article in the WSJ published on B1 june 19th: "Companies Hang Up on Apple's iPhone" that is worth a read for those interested in this thread. 

the deal is that if you can pull off a patch to get iPhones onto your blackberry, microsoft or motorola messaging systems, doing so will put another hole in the system that hackers can try to exploit. if you are a publicly traded company and your mail systems fall under the draconian sarbanes oxley controls, it is not worth the extreme angst to even try it. most exchange admins turned off automatic forwarding and open relays long ago to thwart spammers. iPhones can connect via IMAP protocol, which is just about as bad as POP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@discreet_chaos: ipods play mp3s, and you can import into iTunes as mp3 so content can be platform agnostic. since i use linux, mac and windows interchangably, i got a cowon iaudio x5 (which did video before the ipod did) and use it with iTunes or anything else i want. </p>
<p>as for everyone else, i just remembered an article in the WSJ published on B1 june 19th: &#8220;Companies Hang Up on Apple&#8217;s iPhone&#8221; that is worth a read for those interested in this thread. </p>
<p>the deal is that if you can pull off a patch to get iPhones onto your blackberry, microsoft or motorola messaging systems, doing so will put another hole in the system that hackers can try to exploit. if you are a publicly traded company and your mail systems fall under the draconian sarbanes oxley controls, it is not worth the extreme angst to even try it. most exchange admins turned off automatic forwarding and open relays long ago to thwart spammers. iPhones can connect via IMAP protocol, which is just about as bad as POP.</p>
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		<title>By: discreet_chaos</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-390994</link>
		<dc:creator>discreet_chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK - I don't have an iPod, so I may be wrong, but my understanding is that the iPod only plays things bought from iTunes and I think you'd be hard-pressed to call the formation of a monopoly, technologically-innovative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK - I don&#8217;t have an iPod, so I may be wrong, but my understanding is that the iPod only plays things bought from iTunes and I think you&#8217;d be hard-pressed to call the formation of a monopoly, technologically-innovative.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Safran</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-390981</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Safran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-390945</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR&#38;D needs to stick to news consulting. They clearly don't understand the mobile market. FIrst, it's wrong to say there's no technical reason the phones can't work on any given carrier. Yes there is: The networks are incompatible. There are three different networks out there with multiple data network standards. You have to build a phone for each flavor. Secondly, Apple needed a carrier to give up control. Verizon passed and AT&#38;T said yes. In exhange they got exclusivity. Third, Apple wants to get this thing global as soon as possible and that necessitates GSM and if you're doing GSM you have to go T-Mobile or AT&#38;T in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR&amp;D needs to stick to news consulting. They clearly don&#8217;t understand the mobile market. FIrst, it&#8217;s wrong to say there&#8217;s no technical reason the phones can&#8217;t work on any given carrier. Yes there is: The networks are incompatible. There are three different networks out there with multiple data network standards. You have to build a phone for each flavor. Secondly, Apple needed a carrier to give up control. Verizon passed and AT&amp;T said yes. In exhange they got exclusivity. Third, Apple wants to get this thing global as soon as possible and that necessitates GSM and if you&#8217;re doing GSM you have to go T-Mobile or AT&amp;T in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Safran</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-390868</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Safran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet 'tare you got there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet &#8216;tare you got there.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-390821</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, will no longer call 'em telephones.

tele - Latin for "far off" + phone - Latin for "sound"

That is so 1885.

I propose combining mundi, Latin for "world, or mankind," with nectare, Latin for "to bind together, to connect."

Mundinectare, as in...

"I really like your mundinectare ringtone!"

"Why thank you! I was leaning toward La Cucaracha but decided to go with Dixie as my mundinectare ringtone."

"Can you read the Chron on your mundinectare?"

"My mundinectare will actually read the Chron outloud, using the Gilbert Gottfried voicebot!"

"If you hooked a lanyard to your mundinectare and hung it around your neck, would you call it a monkey necktie?"

"yes"

I'm sorry, back to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, will no longer call &#8216;em telephones.</p>
<p>tele - Latin for &#8220;far off&#8221; + phone - Latin for &#8220;sound&#8221;</p>
<p>That is so 1885.</p>
<p>I propose combining mundi, Latin for &#8220;world, or mankind,&#8221; with nectare, Latin for &#8220;to bind together, to connect.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mundinectare, as in&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I really like your mundinectare ringtone!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Why thank you! I was leaning toward La Cucaracha but decided to go with Dixie as my mundinectare ringtone.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Can you read the Chron on your mundinectare?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;My mundinectare will actually read the Chron outloud, using the Gilbert Gottfried voicebot!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you hooked a lanyard to your mundinectare and hung it around your neck, would you call it a monkey necktie?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;yes&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, back to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocker</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-390803</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  had an AT&#38;T phone/plan a few years ago...when some issues cropped up that I needed to resolve. I can't even begin to convey the incompetence, rudeness and sheer stupidity I encountered with their customer "service" people.  Dropped them the minute the contract was up...would take more than the iPhone to make me go back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  had an AT&amp;T phone/plan a few years ago&#8230;when some issues cropped up that I needed to resolve. I can&#8217;t even begin to convey the incompetence, rudeness and sheer stupidity I encountered with their customer &#8220;service&#8221; people.  Dropped them the minute the contract was up&#8230;would take more than the iPhone to make me go back.</p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-390781</link>
		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no dobut, the cost of ownership is in the business class ballpark, and this product is clearly not built for business. Saf\'s post on the year one costs of the iphone hit the issue on the head long ago: 

www.lostremote.com/2007/01/14/the-real-cost-of-an-iphone-1300-2000-in-year-one/

i pay for blackberries because our employees need to be there when we need them and the expense is well worth it. that same expense for entertainment and communications on a personal level is pushing it.

@Brock: i would argue that apple has stayed alive for years by focusing on one particular niche of the enterprise: designers. macs dominate the professional creative world. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no dobut, the cost of ownership is in the business class ballpark, and this product is clearly not built for business. Saf\&#8217;s post on the year one costs of the iphone hit the issue on the head long ago: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.lostremote.com/2007/01/14/the-real-cost-of-an-iphone-1300-2000-in-year-one/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lostremote.com/2007/01/14/the-real-cost-of-an-iphone-1300-2000-in-year-one/</a></p>
<p>i pay for blackberries because our employees need to be there when we need them and the expense is well worth it. that same expense for entertainment and communications on a personal level is pushing it.</p>
<p>@Brock: i would argue that apple has stayed alive for years by focusing on one particular niche of the enterprise: designers. macs dominate the professional creative world.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeMo</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-390722</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeMo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The phone only working with AT&#38;T is the deal breaker. If the phone had been on Sprint, I'd be standing in line too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phone only working with AT&amp;T is the deal breaker. If the phone had been on Sprint, I&#8217;d be standing in line too.</p>
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		<title>By: Brock</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-390668</link>
		<dc:creator>Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Carrier-independence sounds great on paper, but if you know the industry you know that the industry is full of dinosaurs.  Carriers think they are king and device manufacturers serve them.  It takes an unconventional carrier to be pushed around by a device manufacturer. 

2) It's a shallow analysis that considers the enterprise customer the most important customer. When has Apple ever focused substantial marketing and product development on the enterprise?

3) Much of the article focuses on product naming.  Who cares?  You like KRZR or RZR or LG 2000399 better?  Who care? The a name allows you to instantly understand what it is and why you want it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Carrier-independence sounds great on paper, but if you know the industry you know that the industry is full of dinosaurs.  Carriers think they are king and device manufacturers serve them.  It takes an unconventional carrier to be pushed around by a device manufacturer. </p>
<p>2) It&#8217;s a shallow analysis that considers the enterprise customer the most important customer. When has Apple ever focused substantial marketing and product development on the enterprise?</p>
<p>3) Much of the article focuses on product naming.  Who cares?  You like KRZR or RZR or LG 2000399 better?  Who care? The a name allows you to instantly understand what it is and why you want it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Rooney</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/06/29/why-iphone-is-not-the-next-ipod-and-is-it-a-phone-anyway/#comment-390622</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Rooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen.  1) My compnay phone is with Verizon and I don't see them changing that deal anytime soon.  2) They just want to be able to get messages to me.  They probablly would prefer if I wasn't watching "The Office" on the device.  3)  They're not going to shell out $500-600 per employee on a mobile device anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen.  1) My compnay phone is with Verizon and I don&#8217;t see them changing that deal anytime soon.  2) They just want to be able to get messages to me.  They probablly would prefer if I wasn&#8217;t watching &#8220;The Office&#8221; on the device.  3)  They&#8217;re not going to shell out $500-600 per employee on a mobile device anyway.</p>
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