Comments on: Zucker wants AT&T to filter their lines http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/ Where TV Finds the Future Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:46:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Safran http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-514298 Safran Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:14:18 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-514298 Thanks a lot, Gorman. I've just been fined $350,735. Thanks a lot, Gorman. I’ve just been fined $350,735.

]]> By: Gorman http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-513150 Gorman Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:17:25 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-513150 OMG Safran, did you see this week's Heroes? I thought it was cool that Peter ************************************************************** This comment has been edited at the request of NBC due to copyright violations. You're welcome. AT&T. Your world. Delivered. *cue Oasis* ************************************************************** ever did. I can't wait for next week. OMG Safran, did you see this week’s Heroes? I thought it was cool that Peter

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ever did. I can’t wait for next week.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-513077 Daniel Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:47:00 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-513077 If the internet providers start ‘censoring’ what is crossing their wires, where will it stop? The next step is to censor emails or anything else I upload or download because AT&T doesn’t agree with it. If the internet providers start ‘censoring’ what is crossing their wires, where will it stop? The next step is to censor emails or anything else I upload or download because AT&T doesn’t agree with it.

]]> By: Safran http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512894 Safran Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:37:31 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512894 I would also like AT&T to filter phone conversations about NBC shows, as they may infringe upon copyright of certain scripts. I would also like AT&T to filter phone conversations about NBC shows, as they may infringe upon copyright of certain scripts.

]]> By: Adam http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512892 Adam Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:37:18 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512892 I hope Mr. Zucker is still in favor of this idea when AT&T has the control he's talking about and suddenly needs a little more money from NBC just to "make sure that his legitimate stuff doesn't get filtered out by mistake." Mr. Zucker - you got pissy with Apple because you thought they had too much control. What do you think AT&T is going to be like if they were to have complete control over their "pipes?" I hope Mr. Zucker is still in favor of this idea when AT&T has the control he’s talking about and suddenly needs a little more money from NBC just to “make sure that his legitimate stuff doesn’t get filtered out by mistake.”

Mr. Zucker - you got pissy with Apple because you thought they had too much control. What do you think AT&T is going to be like if they were to have complete control over their “pipes?”

]]> By: ok http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512886 ok Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:20:30 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512886 Does Zucker really think NBC shows will be clogging internet pipes? Can't imagine online demand for "Chuck" slowing down email service... Does Zucker really think NBC shows will be clogging internet pipes? Can’t imagine online demand for “Chuck” slowing down email service…

]]> By: Amanda E. http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512615 Amanda E. Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:16:07 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512615 Mr. Zucker, I have two words for you. "Common Carrier" AT&T, if they are responsible for copyright infringing material on their backbone, is a slide down the slippery slope of them being a __liable__ third-party to illegal traffic such as child porn. Besides, one of the many hats I wear is network administrator. And take it from someone who has been fighting with horny teenagers trying to look up porn online for the past eight years - you can't completely filter everything. Its a never ending arms-race. Mr. Zucker, I have two words for you. “Common Carrier”

AT&T, if they are responsible for copyright infringing material on their backbone, is a slide down the slippery slope of them being a __liable__ third-party to illegal traffic such as child porn.

Besides, one of the many hats I wear is network administrator. And take it from someone who has been fighting with horny teenagers trying to look up porn online for the past eight years - you can’t completely filter everything. Its a never ending arms-race.

]]> By: Rob http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512490 Rob Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:35:28 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512490 Y'know a few days ago I was singing NBC's praises here for airing all of their new fall show pilots on demand on Comcast. I go to Comcast now and the only net still offering on demand content is CBS. NBC has dropped off the radar again and with that I agree to an extent with the comment Dave posted. People want their TV shows on so many different mediums - on TV, on the Internet, on Demand - and it shouldn't be up to ISPs to stop people from sharing the content; rather the networks should find ways to cater to the masses and find ways to share their content while also monetizing it. Maybe when Google buys NBC or one of the other networks this will happen. ;) Y’know a few days ago I was singing NBC’s praises here for airing all of their new fall show pilots on demand on Comcast. I go to Comcast now and the only net still offering on demand content is CBS. NBC has dropped off the radar again and with that I agree to an extent with the comment Dave posted.

People want their TV shows on so many different mediums - on TV, on the Internet, on Demand - and it shouldn’t be up to ISPs to stop people from sharing the content; rather the networks should find ways to cater to the masses and find ways to share their content while also monetizing it.

Maybe when Google buys NBC or one of the other networks this will happen. ;)

]]> By: John Proffitt http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512488 John Proffitt Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:30:09 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512488 Content has to be paid for somehow. Advertising, subscription models -- something. The audience can be in control right up to the point that it's all user-generated content and we're entertaining one another. I think most consumers are smarter than Mr. Usenet. Sure, we want to avoid commercials, but we're willing to put up with some degree of that stuff to get to the stuff we really want. We've been conditioned that way and, deep down, isn't it fair to give something in order to get something? For some content, I'll buy the DVD set to avoid the commercial breaks, the lower-third promos and all the rest of that stuff. For other stuff I'll sit through ads. Still other stuff couldn't get my attention commercial-free. There's room for everyone's take on this. What's messed up is Zucker's megalomania. It's a bad copy of the recording industry's take on digital media. Stupid, stupid, stupid. You don't have to control the pipes to make money. But you do have to make compelling content and offer it in a variety of methods at a variety of "price" points (cash outlays, time spent, ads consumed) that meet the needs of a variety of consumers. And the idea that controlling distribution of copyrighted material will alleviate Internet traffic challenges is laughably stupid. How do these idiots rise to such heights? Content has to be paid for somehow. Advertising, subscription models — something. The audience can be in control right up to the point that it’s all user-generated content and we’re entertaining one another.

I think most consumers are smarter than Mr. Usenet. Sure, we want to avoid commercials, but we’re willing to put up with some degree of that stuff to get to the stuff we really want. We’ve been conditioned that way and, deep down, isn’t it fair to give something in order to get something?

For some content, I’ll buy the DVD set to avoid the commercial breaks, the lower-third promos and all the rest of that stuff. For other stuff I’ll sit through ads. Still other stuff couldn’t get my attention commercial-free.

There’s room for everyone’s take on this. What’s messed up is Zucker’s megalomania. It’s a bad copy of the recording industry’s take on digital media. Stupid, stupid, stupid. You don’t have to control the pipes to make money. But you do have to make compelling content and offer it in a variety of methods at a variety of “price” points (cash outlays, time spent, ads consumed) that meet the needs of a variety of consumers.

And the idea that controlling distribution of copyrighted material will alleviate Internet traffic challenges is laughably stupid. How do these idiots rise to such heights?

]]> By: invitedmedia http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512481 invitedmedia Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:18:35 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512481 with any luck nbcu will be the ones to design and launch this filtering technology. their success with "gamechangers" like nbbc and hulu make it a natural. with any luck nbcu will be the ones to design and launch this filtering technology.

their success with “gamechangers” like nbbc and hulu make it a natural.

]]> By: Todd http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512470 Todd Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:52:33 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512470 Sorry, but I agree with you're guy's quote, Dave. It's where we're headed. The content creators are no longer in control, the public is. It's time to realize we're selling whale oil and the electric light has just been invented... Sorry, but I agree with you’re guy’s quote, Dave. It’s where we’re headed. The content creators are no longer in control, the public is. It’s time to realize we’re selling whale oil and the electric light has just been invented…

]]> By: Dave http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512448 Dave Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:02:17 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512448 Found this blog post in response to Zucker's speech: "All right, Jeffie. Here’s what I want from my favorite TV Shows: I want to be able to watch them on any computer or TV or peripheral I own, I want there to be no commercials, I want the quality to be outstanding, and I want to be able to pause it whenever I want without disrupting the buffering process. If I like a show, I wanna be able to recommend it to my friends and give them a copy of it so that they’ll become fans too. What? You can’t do that because you can’t make money off it? Sounds like a personal problem, pal. You keep working on it, and I’ll stick with Usenet." Thoughts? I feel like saying to this guy, "You're not going to have any favorite TV shows (at least like you have now) if no one is investing money in them because there's no money to be made." LR-land help me out on this one... Found this blog post in response to Zucker’s speech:

“All right, Jeffie. Here’s what I want from my favorite TV Shows: I want to be able to watch them on any computer or TV or peripheral I own, I want there to be no commercials, I want the quality to be outstanding, and I want to be able to pause it whenever I want without disrupting the buffering process. If I like a show, I wanna be able to recommend it to my friends and give them a copy of it so that they’ll become fans too. What? You can’t do that because you can’t make money off it? Sounds like a personal problem, pal. You keep working on it, and I’ll stick with Usenet.”

Thoughts? I feel like saying to this guy, “You’re not going to have any favorite TV shows (at least like you have now) if no one is investing money in them because there’s no money to be made.”

LR-land help me out on this one…

]]> By: Gorman http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512428 Gorman Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:21:36 +0000 http://www.lostremote.com/2007/10/03/zucker-wants-att-to-filter-their-lines/#comment-512428 Considering that AT&T has made posting criticism about them against the TOS, I'd say they're already in the filtering business. Unbelievable. Considering that AT&T has made posting criticism about them against the TOS, I’d say they’re already in the filtering business.

Unbelievable.

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