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	<title>Comments on: ABC O&#038;O&#8217;s relaunch sites</title>
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	<description>Where TV Finds the Future</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: news-junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-1089200</link>
		<dc:creator>news-junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the fact you can bypass the video ads by clicking on the story video again and pressing play.  Make sense?? LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the fact you can bypass the video ads by clicking on the story video again and pressing play.  Make sense?? LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-612818</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Complete redesigns almost always fail.  Avoid them whenever possible.

They could have tested the waters before jumping in by making one of the features (like sports or weather) of their old site run as this layout/technology to see if it works.

The biggest issue for me is not the home page but the 'story' page.  As commented earlier, I had no idea there was text below the video when I went to it.  

It's a classic scroll-blocker layout.  Users have no reason to think there is more content below the scroll in the layout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Complete redesigns almost always fail.  Avoid them whenever possible.</p>
<p>They could have tested the waters before jumping in by making one of the features (like sports or weather) of their old site run as this layout/technology to see if it works.</p>
<p>The biggest issue for me is not the home page but the &#8217;story&#8217; page.  As commented earlier, I had no idea there was text below the video when I went to it.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a classic scroll-blocker layout.  Users have no reason to think there is more content below the scroll in the layout.</p>
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		<title>By: tdc</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-609652</link>
		<dc:creator>tdc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amen.

good to hear from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amen.</p>
<p>good to hear from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Safran</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-609501</link>
		<dc:creator>Safran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the front of the WABC site I was greeted with 8 news stories and 9 promos. This is fundamentally wrong.

This makes the classic, unfortunate mistake of thinking its job is to promote the newscast. The site could have worked - I like the player and could see myself engaged with it. It's clean. However, the amount of self-promotion here untenable. I am assaulted with station messages on every page. When I went to the KABC local news page (I should have to go "inside" for local news?) I was greeted with a giant ad for their Doppler Mega 7 Whosiwhatsis &lt;i&gt;Weather&lt;/i&gt; Thingie. 

The RSS choices are limited and some are downright bizarre - I can subscribe to an RSS feed for the pages "About WABC-TV,"  "About Digital TV and HDTV" and "Interact with WABC TV." Really? That's just someone not paying attention to their own feeds.

We are not looking for promos, we're looking for information. There is no demand for the volume of self-promotion the stations either think we should have or want us to have. This uses the site in a profoundly TV-centric way that cuts itself off at the knees.

Answer the fundamental question: Why would I return to this site? For more promos?

Decent technology, but I feel for the web team here. This was obviously driven by marketing and not a desire for a successful online business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the front of the WABC site I was greeted with 8 news stories and 9 promos. This is fundamentally wrong.</p>
<p>This makes the classic, unfortunate mistake of thinking its job is to promote the newscast. The site could have worked - I like the player and could see myself engaged with it. It&#8217;s clean. However, the amount of self-promotion here untenable. I am assaulted with station messages on every page. When I went to the KABC local news page (I should have to go &#8220;inside&#8221; for local news?) I was greeted with a giant ad for their Doppler Mega 7 Whosiwhatsis <i>Weather</i> Thingie. </p>
<p>The RSS choices are limited and some are downright bizarre - I can subscribe to an RSS feed for the pages &#8220;About WABC-TV,&#8221;  &#8220;About Digital TV and HDTV&#8221; and &#8220;Interact with WABC TV.&#8221; Really? That&#8217;s just someone not paying attention to their own feeds.</p>
<p>We are not looking for promos, we&#8217;re looking for information. There is no demand for the volume of self-promotion the stations either think we should have or want us to have. This uses the site in a profoundly TV-centric way that cuts itself off at the knees.</p>
<p>Answer the fundamental question: Why would I return to this site? For more promos?</p>
<p>Decent technology, but I feel for the web team here. This was obviously driven by marketing and not a desire for a successful online business.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-609273</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me if I am redundant, but I don't like the ABC O&#38;Os new lookat all - for web. Yes, it looks like a great portal for video. It looks like a very good video page - but as the home page? Come on. 

I could see their video hits going up, but what about overal traffic? What is their business model? Have they given up on page views and impressions completely? If so, this is a poor way to do it.

Do they even know who their audience is? Most of the traffic comes during the day when people are at work. Are users really going to go for a video-heavy site while giving off the appearance of working? 

Maybe they figure they're alreay losing audience, and that the pool of news outlets is so vast already that instead of competing with that same news, they offer an "alternative." 

Then again, the web audience is so fickle that maybe the ABC sites will take off. I just don't see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me if I am redundant, but I don&#8217;t like the ABC O&amp;Os new lookat all - for web. Yes, it looks like a great portal for video. It looks like a very good video page - but as the home page? Come on. </p>
<p>I could see their video hits going up, but what about overal traffic? What is their business model? Have they given up on page views and impressions completely? If so, this is a poor way to do it.</p>
<p>Do they even know who their audience is? Most of the traffic comes during the day when people are at work. Are users really going to go for a video-heavy site while giving off the appearance of working? </p>
<p>Maybe they figure they&#8217;re alreay losing audience, and that the pool of news outlets is so vast already that instead of competing with that same news, they offer an &#8220;alternative.&#8221; </p>
<p>Then again, the web audience is so fickle that maybe the ABC sites will take off. I just don&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocker</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-607738</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“We tried to make them more like television.” Cutting edge thinking, in 2000.  Used to hear that all the time then from TV people.  You can have a few flourishes, but basic design is better because it works for users. Over-design gets int he way of the content, which is where we should really be focusing our efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We tried to make them more like television.” Cutting edge thinking, in 2000.  Used to hear that all the time then from TV people.  You can have a few flourishes, but basic design is better because it works for users. Over-design gets int he way of the content, which is where we should really be focusing our efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Day</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-607036</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Cory and Peter both said it better than I could.  I spent more time on the sites this evening... and I just can't see any reason to ever go back.  I *LOVE* redesigned news sites. I'm always looking for ideas.  Maybe there are a few here... but I'm just so turned off by the way these sites fail to meet basic needs that I just don't see any good practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Cory and Peter both said it better than I could.  I spent more time on the sites this evening&#8230; and I just can&#8217;t see any reason to ever go back.  I *LOVE* redesigned news sites. I&#8217;m always looking for ideas.  Maybe there are a few here&#8230; but I&#8217;m just so turned off by the way these sites fail to meet basic needs that I just don&#8217;t see any good practices.</p>
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		<title>By: peter authurson</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-606805</link>
		<dc:creator>peter authurson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awful. Terrible. Hideous.

No ONE who has any clue about news had anything to do with this design or they would realize just how RARELY a breaking news story has good "art" or images to go with. 

(And, thoughout a day, breaking news is basically all you have for a site -- or is all you SHOULD have.)

Instead, much of the time there are logos, generic "murder" with crime scene tape images or B-roll of the outside of a building.

Did anyone AT ALL think that the pictures in this GIANT TV screen about 90 percent of the time will NOT be compelling AT ALL?

Designers are great -- but they usually are unplugged from reality.

This point of mine about images being crappy  is really the tip of the iceberg of how bad this overall site is.

Disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awful. Terrible. Hideous.</p>
<p>No ONE who has any clue about news had anything to do with this design or they would realize just how RARELY a breaking news story has good &#8220;art&#8221; or images to go with. </p>
<p>(And, thoughout a day, breaking news is basically all you have for a site &#8212; or is all you SHOULD have.)</p>
<p>Instead, much of the time there are logos, generic &#8220;murder&#8221; with crime scene tape images or B-roll of the outside of a building.</p>
<p>Did anyone AT ALL think that the pictures in this GIANT TV screen about 90 percent of the time will NOT be compelling AT ALL?</p>
<p>Designers are great &#8212; but they usually are unplugged from reality.</p>
<p>This point of mine about images being crappy  is really the tip of the iceberg of how bad this overall site is.</p>
<p>Disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-606586</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  It's certainly different than newspaper sites.  Lots of nice touches here.  Animated story headlines.  Big player for video.  Story commenting.  The most popular bar.  The scrolling bottom of the screen.  Etc.

But, I feel like I just can't... get... to... the... story.  The first thing I did, once I found it, was to compress the big Flash window down to a size that didn't obscure half my screen. It's even more annoying when you click a story and you have to scroll beyond the Flash window to begin reading a story.

In my experience, people who visit TV sites (or news sites as a whole, for that matter) are "scanners."  You quickly scan the top stories for anything that's interesting, maybe glance at the most popular stories, and move on.  These sites, with the big Flash window, are not conducive to scanning at all.  It forces me to click around to figure it out.  And users aren't going to waste their time doing that.  

Also, while I'm a big fan of video, I wouldn't advocate forcing a video-based design on a news site when only 5-10 percent of a site's traffic originates from video.  There's a balance.  Eventually, video will have a bigger share of clicks, but in the meantime, if you overforce it, traffic will plummet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  It&#8217;s certainly different than newspaper sites.  Lots of nice touches here.  Animated story headlines.  Big player for video.  Story commenting.  The most popular bar.  The scrolling bottom of the screen.  Etc.</p>
<p>But, I feel like I just can&#8217;t&#8230; get&#8230; to&#8230; the&#8230; story.  The first thing I did, once I found it, was to compress the big Flash window down to a size that didn&#8217;t obscure half my screen. It&#8217;s even more annoying when you click a story and you have to scroll beyond the Flash window to begin reading a story.</p>
<p>In my experience, people who visit TV sites (or news sites as a whole, for that matter) are &#8220;scanners.&#8221;  You quickly scan the top stories for anything that&#8217;s interesting, maybe glance at the most popular stories, and move on.  These sites, with the big Flash window, are not conducive to scanning at all.  It forces me to click around to figure it out.  And users aren&#8217;t going to waste their time doing that.  </p>
<p>Also, while I&#8217;m a big fan of video, I wouldn&#8217;t advocate forcing a video-based design on a news site when only 5-10 percent of a site&#8217;s traffic originates from video.  There&#8217;s a balance.  Eventually, video will have a bigger share of clicks, but in the meantime, if you overforce it, traffic will plummet.</p>
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		<title>By: ALE</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-606583</link>
		<dc:creator>ALE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KABC's Ric Romaro has a new picture. Fark is going to love that - and the fact that comments can be posted.

The site itself (looking at KABC) - rather nice looking aesthetics wise. They could add more content though - heavy on flash stuff, light on the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KABC&#8217;s Ric Romaro has a new picture. Fark is going to love that - and the fact that comments can be posted.</p>
<p>The site itself (looking at KABC) - rather nice looking aesthetics wise. They could add more content though - heavy on flash stuff, light on the news.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorman</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-606581</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's fine by me, I'm not trying to kibash change. However, until this yet-to-be-determined term takes hold, please forgive me if I personally call them "sites" and "pages." And "homepages." I'm too lazy for the extra syllable required for "entry pages." 

Have fun fishing :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s fine by me, I&#8217;m not trying to kibash change. However, until this yet-to-be-determined term takes hold, please forgive me if I personally call them &#8220;sites&#8221; and &#8220;pages.&#8221; And &#8220;homepages.&#8221; I&#8217;m too lazy for the extra syllable required for &#8220;entry pages.&#8221; </p>
<p>Have fun fishing <img src='http://www.lostremote.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: tdc</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-606548</link>
		<dc:creator>tdc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw- 

i'd love to get into a full blown debate over this topic but we are going spear fishing w/ some local guys this morning.

is lr still following the pending marriage of google founder lp?

aloha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw- </p>
<p>i&#8217;d love to get into a full blown debate over this topic but we are going spear fishing w/ some local guys this morning.</p>
<p>is lr still following the pending marriage of google founder lp?</p>
<p>aloha!</p>
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		<title>By: tdc</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-606534</link>
		<dc:creator>tdc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, eventually you'll be forced to choose a different term.

i'm not that smart to figure out what the industry will settle on, but my thought is these will eventually be your station's web channel and all "pages" will be different screens.

too simple?

i'm still counting on an early adoption of this switch within the next 5 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, eventually you&#8217;ll be forced to choose a different term.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not that smart to figure out what the industry will settle on, but my thought is these will eventually be your station&#8217;s web channel and all &#8220;pages&#8221; will be different screens.</p>
<p>too simple?</p>
<p>i&#8217;m still counting on an early adoption of this switch within the next 5 months.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorman</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-606527</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me, I can't tell if the entire comment is a dig against the comments, the comments and the ABC sites, or mostly the ABC sites.

In this case, the player, while pretty darn big, is still an element on a page. It is not a standalone player. Are you saying we should not call sites "sites" and pages "pages?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me, I can&#8217;t tell if the entire comment is a dig against the comments, the comments and the ABC sites, or mostly the ABC sites.</p>
<p>In this case, the player, while pretty darn big, is still an element on a page. It is not a standalone player. Are you saying we should not call sites &#8220;sites&#8221; and pages &#8220;pages?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tdc</title>
		<link>http://www.lostremote.com/2007/12/03/abc-oos-relaunch-sites/#comment-606488</link>
		<dc:creator>tdc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here we have a player as big as a tv set and every one of the commenters is still calling it a "site" and a "homepage".

talk about 1999 w/ 2007 technology.

if the web ain't tv, why is everybody tieing their web channel(s) directly to their "4-letter random search result"  (including my dear neighbors on o'ahu @ thehawaiichannel.com)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here we have a player as big as a tv set and every one of the commenters is still calling it a &#8220;site&#8221; and a &#8220;homepage&#8221;.</p>
<p>talk about 1999 w/ 2007 technology.</p>
<p>if the web ain&#8217;t tv, why is everybody tieing their web channel(s) directly to their &#8220;4-letter random search result&#8221;  (including my dear neighbors on o&#8217;ahu @ thehawaiichannel.com)?</p>
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